DNA testing necessary????
May 25th 2002 | 4:13 am
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DNA testing necessary????
I am a Canadian citizen and resident who is currently sponsoring my wife and 2 kids overseas. Applications have been filed and medicals have been done for my wife, son-8yrs and daugther- 5months.We got married 1 yr ago but have know each other for over 10years.(I am the father of her 8yr old son).
Now after over 14months since we sent in our application, I get a letter today from CHC telling me to go do a DNA test proving that am the father of my daughter. Can you believe this? I am so mad and dont know what to do right now. Who pays for the test? If i pay and its proven that am the father will CHC reimburse me? Are my rights been infringed on by requiring this test which in my opinion, is an excessive burden? I mean she is already the mother of my son, we are married even though its only a year ago so i cant understand why any doubt should arise as to the paternity of my daughter. Is it unnatural to have more than one child from the same woman?Neither me nor my wife have been called for an interview yet. So why the doubt? Any help would be appreciated.
Now after over 14months since we sent in our application, I get a letter today from CHC telling me to go do a DNA test proving that am the father of my daughter. Can you believe this? I am so mad and dont know what to do right now. Who pays for the test? If i pay and its proven that am the father will CHC reimburse me? Are my rights been infringed on by requiring this test which in my opinion, is an excessive burden? I mean she is already the mother of my son, we are married even though its only a year ago so i cant understand why any doubt should arise as to the paternity of my daughter. Is it unnatural to have more than one child from the same woman?Neither me nor my wife have been called for an interview yet. So why the doubt? Any help would be appreciated.
May 25th 2002 | 7:20 am
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Re: DNA testing necessary????
The problem here is that, if you are the father of the daughter, then she has a claim
to Canadian citizenship. That would mean she does not need the medical and you would
not have to pay a processing fee for her. As to the test, you pay and there is no
reimbursement. The Immigration Act and Regulations permit you to sponsor your wife
and children, but it is not an inherent right. I hope that explains the situation.
Jim Humphries
JohnB wrote:
>
> I am a Canadian citizen and resident who is currently sponsoring my wife and 2 kids
> overseas. Applications have been filed and medicals have been done for my wife,
> son-8yrs and daugther- 5months.We got married 1 yr ago but have know each other for
> over 10years.(I am the father of her 8yr old son). Now after over 14months since we
> sent in our application, I get a letter today from CHC telling me to go do a DNA
> test proving that am the father of my daughter. Can you believe this? I am so mad
> and dont know what to do right now. Who pays for the test? If i pay and its proven
> that am the father will CHC reimburse me? Are my rights been infringed on by
> requiring this test which in my opinion, is an excessive burden? I mean she is
> already the mother of my son, we are married even though its only a year ago so i
> cant understand why any doubt should arise as to the paternity of my daughter. Is
> it unnatural to have more than one child from the same woman?Neither me nor my wife
> have been called for an interview yet. So why the doubt? Any help would be
> appreciated.
>
> --
> Posted via http://britishexpats.com
to Canadian citizenship. That would mean she does not need the medical and you would
not have to pay a processing fee for her. As to the test, you pay and there is no
reimbursement. The Immigration Act and Regulations permit you to sponsor your wife
and children, but it is not an inherent right. I hope that explains the situation.
Jim Humphries
JohnB wrote:
>
> I am a Canadian citizen and resident who is currently sponsoring my wife and 2 kids
> overseas. Applications have been filed and medicals have been done for my wife,
> son-8yrs and daugther- 5months.We got married 1 yr ago but have know each other for
> over 10years.(I am the father of her 8yr old son). Now after over 14months since we
> sent in our application, I get a letter today from CHC telling me to go do a DNA
> test proving that am the father of my daughter. Can you believe this? I am so mad
> and dont know what to do right now. Who pays for the test? If i pay and its proven
> that am the father will CHC reimburse me? Are my rights been infringed on by
> requiring this test which in my opinion, is an excessive burden? I mean she is
> already the mother of my son, we are married even though its only a year ago so i
> cant understand why any doubt should arise as to the paternity of my daughter. Is
> it unnatural to have more than one child from the same woman?Neither me nor my wife
> have been called for an interview yet. So why the doubt? Any help would be
> appreciated.
>
> --
> Posted via http://britishexpats.com
May 25th 2002 | 7:20 am
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Re: DNA testing necessary????
Unfortunately without knowing all details of the case (including details of your
immigration if you are not Canadian born) it is rather impossible to know why you are
being asked for said DNA.
Are you born Canadian or you immigrated here? If immigrated then what is your country
of origin, when did you apply and were any of your children listed in your
application?
Where did you get married? What is your wife's nationality? What is the detailed
timeline for the following events - your marriage, birth of the daughter, application
submission?
One could only speculate that request is probably related to the need for
determination if your marriage is bona fide or just the marriage of convenience for
the purpose of immigration. Fact that your got married when your now wife was
already pregnant with possibly someone else's child (you said that you are the
father of the son, you didn't say that you are the father of the girl) raises very
serious doubts about her intentions. So, they want to find out if baby is yours to
eliminate those doubts.
Another reason may be to determine citizenship of children if any of them was born
after you became Canadian citizen, or if you are Canadian born.
And there may be some other reason(s) for the request and as you see from above
speculations may be almost endless without knowing all details.
--
../..
Andrew Miller Immigration Consultant Vancouver, British Columbia email:
millercicanada.com (delete REMOVE and INVALID from the above address before
sending email)
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"JohnB" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> I am a Canadian citizen and resident who is currently sponsoring my wife and 2 kids
> overseas. Applications have been filed and medicals have been done for my wife,
> son-8yrs and daugther- 5months.We got married 1 yr ago but have know each other for
> over 10years.(I am the father of her 8yr old son). Now after over 14months since we
> sent in our application, I get a letter today from CHC telling me to go do a DNA
> test proving that am the father of my daughter. Can you believe this? I am so mad
> and dont know what to do right now. Who pays for the test? If i pay and its proven
> that am the father will CHC reimburse me? Are my rights been infringed on by
> requiring this test which in my opinion, is an excessive burden? I mean she is
> already the mother of my son, we are married even though its only a year ago so i
> cant understand why any doubt should arise as to the paternity of my daughter. Is
> it unnatural to have more than one child from the same woman?Neither me nor my wife
> have been called for an interview yet. So why the doubt? Any help would be
> appreciated.
>
>
>
> --
> Posted via http://britishexpats.com
immigration if you are not Canadian born) it is rather impossible to know why you are
being asked for said DNA.
Are you born Canadian or you immigrated here? If immigrated then what is your country
of origin, when did you apply and were any of your children listed in your
application?
Where did you get married? What is your wife's nationality? What is the detailed
timeline for the following events - your marriage, birth of the daughter, application
submission?
One could only speculate that request is probably related to the need for
determination if your marriage is bona fide or just the marriage of convenience for
the purpose of immigration. Fact that your got married when your now wife was
already pregnant with possibly someone else's child (you said that you are the
father of the son, you didn't say that you are the father of the girl) raises very
serious doubts about her intentions. So, they want to find out if baby is yours to
eliminate those doubts.
Another reason may be to determine citizenship of children if any of them was born
after you became Canadian citizen, or if you are Canadian born.
And there may be some other reason(s) for the request and as you see from above
speculations may be almost endless without knowing all details.
--
../..
Andrew Miller Immigration Consultant Vancouver, British Columbia email:
millercicanada.com (delete REMOVE and INVALID from the above address before
sending email)
________________________________
"JohnB" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> I am a Canadian citizen and resident who is currently sponsoring my wife and 2 kids
> overseas. Applications have been filed and medicals have been done for my wife,
> son-8yrs and daugther- 5months.We got married 1 yr ago but have know each other for
> over 10years.(I am the father of her 8yr old son). Now after over 14months since we
> sent in our application, I get a letter today from CHC telling me to go do a DNA
> test proving that am the father of my daughter. Can you believe this? I am so mad
> and dont know what to do right now. Who pays for the test? If i pay and its proven
> that am the father will CHC reimburse me? Are my rights been infringed on by
> requiring this test which in my opinion, is an excessive burden? I mean she is
> already the mother of my son, we are married even though its only a year ago so i
> cant understand why any doubt should arise as to the paternity of my daughter. Is
> it unnatural to have more than one child from the same woman?Neither me nor my wife
> have been called for an interview yet. So why the doubt? Any help would be
> appreciated.
>
>
>
> --
> Posted via http://britishexpats.com
May 25th 2002 | 2:06 pm
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Re: DNA testing necessary????
Originally posted by Jim Humphries
The problem here is that, if you are the father of the daughter, then she has a claim
to Canadian citizenship. That would mean she does not need the medical and you would
not have to pay a processing fee for her. As to the test, you pay and there is no
reimbursement. The Immigration Act and Regulations permit you to sponsor your wife
and children, but it is not an inherent right. I hope that explains the situation.
Jim Humphries
The problem here is that, if you are the father of the daughter, then she has a claim
to Canadian citizenship. That would mean she does not need the medical and you would
not have to pay a processing fee for her. As to the test, you pay and there is no
reimbursement. The Immigration Act and Regulations permit you to sponsor your wife
and children, but it is not an inherent right. I hope that explains the situation.
Jim Humphries
May 25th 2002 | 2:45 pm
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Re: DNA testing necessary????
[QUOTE]Originally posted by Andrew Miller
[B]Unfortunately without knowing all details of the case (including details of your
immigration if you are not Canadian born) it is rather impossible to know why you are
being asked for said DNA.
Are you born Canadian or you immigrated here? If immigrated then what is your country
of origin, when did you apply and were any of your children listed in your
application?
I am a South African who immigrated about 4 years ago. I recently became a citizen a few months ago after I started the sponsorship process.
Where did you get married? What is your wife's nationality? What is the detailed
timeline for the following events - your marriage, birth of the daughter, application
submission?
I got marriage to my wife who is also a South African and residing there as well, in Oct 2000. Filed for sponsorship in Dec 2000 in canada. went back to south Africa a couple of times b/w Jan - Mar 2000.
Daughter was born in Dec 2001.
One could only speculate that request is probably related to the need for
determination if your marriage is bona fide or just the marriage of convenience for
the purpose of immigration. Fact that your got married when your now wife was
already pregnant with possibly someone else's child (you said that you are the
father of the son, you didn't say that you are the father of the girl) raises very
serious doubts about her intentions. So, they want to find out if baby is yours to
eliminate those doubts.
I am the father of both kids NO DOUBT (i wonder why the Jerry springer show comes to mind). My name is on the birth certificates of my kids. My 8ry old was listed as my dependant in my PR application. We have submitted all documents needed for the sponsorship. No further documents have been requested. we have not been interviewed. Both kids are from the same mother. So on what possible basis could the issue of doubt crop up to justify my been asked to undergo an expensive task of taking a DNA test? Mind you i am not averse to taking the test per se but I feel this amounts to adventurism on the part of the CHC officer and it is without justification
--
Andrew Miller Immigration Consultant Vancouver, British Columbia email:
millercicanada.com (delete REMOVE and INVALID from the above address before
sending email)
________________________________
[B]Unfortunately without knowing all details of the case (including details of your
immigration if you are not Canadian born) it is rather impossible to know why you are
being asked for said DNA.
Are you born Canadian or you immigrated here? If immigrated then what is your country
of origin, when did you apply and were any of your children listed in your
application?
I am a South African who immigrated about 4 years ago. I recently became a citizen a few months ago after I started the sponsorship process.
Where did you get married? What is your wife's nationality? What is the detailed
timeline for the following events - your marriage, birth of the daughter, application
submission?
I got marriage to my wife who is also a South African and residing there as well, in Oct 2000. Filed for sponsorship in Dec 2000 in canada. went back to south Africa a couple of times b/w Jan - Mar 2000.
Daughter was born in Dec 2001.
One could only speculate that request is probably related to the need for
determination if your marriage is bona fide or just the marriage of convenience for
the purpose of immigration. Fact that your got married when your now wife was
already pregnant with possibly someone else's child (you said that you are the
father of the son, you didn't say that you are the father of the girl) raises very
serious doubts about her intentions. So, they want to find out if baby is yours to
eliminate those doubts.
I am the father of both kids NO DOUBT (i wonder why the Jerry springer show comes to mind). My name is on the birth certificates of my kids. My 8ry old was listed as my dependant in my PR application. We have submitted all documents needed for the sponsorship. No further documents have been requested. we have not been interviewed. Both kids are from the same mother. So on what possible basis could the issue of doubt crop up to justify my been asked to undergo an expensive task of taking a DNA test? Mind you i am not averse to taking the test per se but I feel this amounts to adventurism on the part of the CHC officer and it is without justification
--
Andrew Miller Immigration Consultant Vancouver, British Columbia email:
millercicanada.com (delete REMOVE and INVALID from the above address before
sending email)
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Last edited by JohnB; May 25th 2002 at 3:57 pm.
May 27th 2002 | 10:20 am
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Re: DNA testing necessary????
"Andrew Miller" <millercitelus.net> wrote in message
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> Unfortunately without knowing all details of the case (including details of your
> immigration if you are not Canadian born) it is rather impossible to know why you
> are being asked for said DNA.
>
> Are you born Canadian or you immigrated here? If immigrated then what is your
> country of origin, when did you apply and were any of your children listed in your
> application?
>
> Where did you get married? What is your wife's nationality? What is the detailed
> timeline for the following events - your marriage, birth of the daughter,
> application submission?
>
> One could only speculate that request is probably related to the need for
> determination if your marriage is bona fide or just the marriage of convenience for
> the purpose of immigration. Fact that your got married when your now wife was
> already pregnant with possibly someone else's child (you said that you are the
> father of the son, you didn't say that you are the father of the girl) raises very
> serious doubts about her intentions. So, they want to find out if baby is yours to
> eliminate those doubts.
>
> Another reason may be to determine citizenship of children if any of them was born
> after you became Canadian citizen, or if you are Canadian born.
>
> And there may be some other reason(s) for the request and as you see from above
> speculations may be almost endless without knowing all details.
>
> --
>
> ../..
>
> Andrew Miller Immigration Consultant Vancouver, British Columbia email:
> millercicanada.com (delete REMOVE and INVALID from the above address before
> sending email)
> ________________________________
>
>
>
>
> "JohnB" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
> > I am a Canadian citizen and resident who is currently sponsoring my wife and 2
> > kids overseas. Applications have been filed and medicals have been done for my
> > wife, son-8yrs and daugther- 5months.We got married 1 yr ago but have know each
> > other for over 10years.(I am the father of her 8yr old son). Now after over
> > 14months since we sent in our application, I get a letter today from CHC telling
> > me to go do a DNA test proving that am the father of my daughter. Can you believe
> > this? I am so mad and dont know what to do right now. Who pays for the test? If i
> > pay and its proven that am the father will CHC reimburse me? Are my rights been
> > infringed on by requiring this test which in my opinion, is an excessive burden?
> > I mean she is already the mother of my son, we are married even though its only a
> > year ago so i cant understand why any doubt should arise as to the paternity of
> > my daughter. Is it unnatural to have more than one child from the same
> > woman?Neither me nor my wife have been called for an interview yet. So why the
> > doubt? Any help would be appreciated.
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> > Posted via http://britishexpats.
I have to agree with AM that the reasons for the request are open to speculation. It
really does not matter if you are the father of the child as long as she is the
mother becuase you are sponsoring her and her dependents. Who is listed as father on
the Birth Certificate? You or is it blank.
When you immigrated to Canada was your son born and was he listed on your application
as your dependent?
You might also ask them why they are asking for DNA testing.They have to have a good
reason to put you to the trouble. You could get a copy of the notes on file which
will reveal thier reasons or as a last resort hire an advisor to find out.
Unfortunately more details are required as you have not told the whole story. I
believe the suspician is that neither you nor your wife is the the mother and father
of the child which would make hm ineligible to be sponsored.
An interesting case to say the least.
Jim Metcalfe
news:<[email protected]> ...
> Unfortunately without knowing all details of the case (including details of your
> immigration if you are not Canadian born) it is rather impossible to know why you
> are being asked for said DNA.
>
> Are you born Canadian or you immigrated here? If immigrated then what is your
> country of origin, when did you apply and were any of your children listed in your
> application?
>
> Where did you get married? What is your wife's nationality? What is the detailed
> timeline for the following events - your marriage, birth of the daughter,
> application submission?
>
> One could only speculate that request is probably related to the need for
> determination if your marriage is bona fide or just the marriage of convenience for
> the purpose of immigration. Fact that your got married when your now wife was
> already pregnant with possibly someone else's child (you said that you are the
> father of the son, you didn't say that you are the father of the girl) raises very
> serious doubts about her intentions. So, they want to find out if baby is yours to
> eliminate those doubts.
>
> Another reason may be to determine citizenship of children if any of them was born
> after you became Canadian citizen, or if you are Canadian born.
>
> And there may be some other reason(s) for the request and as you see from above
> speculations may be almost endless without knowing all details.
>
> --
>
> ../..
>
> Andrew Miller Immigration Consultant Vancouver, British Columbia email:
> millercicanada.com (delete REMOVE and INVALID from the above address before
> sending email)
> ________________________________
>
>
>
>
> "JohnB" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
> > I am a Canadian citizen and resident who is currently sponsoring my wife and 2
> > kids overseas. Applications have been filed and medicals have been done for my
> > wife, son-8yrs and daugther- 5months.We got married 1 yr ago but have know each
> > other for over 10years.(I am the father of her 8yr old son). Now after over
> > 14months since we sent in our application, I get a letter today from CHC telling
> > me to go do a DNA test proving that am the father of my daughter. Can you believe
> > this? I am so mad and dont know what to do right now. Who pays for the test? If i
> > pay and its proven that am the father will CHC reimburse me? Are my rights been
> > infringed on by requiring this test which in my opinion, is an excessive burden?
> > I mean she is already the mother of my son, we are married even though its only a
> > year ago so i cant understand why any doubt should arise as to the paternity of
> > my daughter. Is it unnatural to have more than one child from the same
> > woman?Neither me nor my wife have been called for an interview yet. So why the
> > doubt? Any help would be appreciated.
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> > Posted via http://britishexpats.
I have to agree with AM that the reasons for the request are open to speculation. It
really does not matter if you are the father of the child as long as she is the
mother becuase you are sponsoring her and her dependents. Who is listed as father on
the Birth Certificate? You or is it blank.
When you immigrated to Canada was your son born and was he listed on your application
as your dependent?
You might also ask them why they are asking for DNA testing.They have to have a good
reason to put you to the trouble. You could get a copy of the notes on file which
will reveal thier reasons or as a last resort hire an advisor to find out.
Unfortunately more details are required as you have not told the whole story. I
believe the suspician is that neither you nor your wife is the the mother and father
of the child which would make hm ineligible to be sponsored.
An interesting case to say the least.
Jim Metcalfe
