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Disheartened by job prospects.
For the last few weeks I've been searching lots of different job sites, some recommended some of which I'd googled and haven't been able to find anything that I could do in Canada (apart from very low paid jobs that require little skill). I do have skills but can't seem to fit them into another job. I've seen hundreds of nursing, engineer, plasterer etc jobs which I know are the type of skills Canada wants. Has anyone else had this problem? I currently work for Immigration and have training skills/qualifications too. There are dozens of other things I could do given the opportunity, but am having problems. I know a few weeks is not long for job hunting. Any advice?
Daisy |
Re: Disheartened by job prospects.
Daisyboo
Are you living in Canada? Or looking to move here? You work in Immigration? What do you do? |
Re: Disheartened by job prospects.
Daisy, in other threads you've said that you're an Immigration Officer but also have worked in HR and Training, that you are a single parent of two children, that you are unable to fly and would have to travel to Canada by sea.
Frankly, I think this combination is daunting (although perhaps not insurmountable if you are sufficiently determined). In most parts of Canada there are enough people to meet the demands for immigration officers, HR functions and training functions. Therefore, in most parts of Canada it would be difficult to get a temporary work permit on the basis of one of these jobs. The federal government gives priority to citizens and permanent residents of Canada. In an area that contributes to Canada's wellbeing as much as immigration does, I'd be absolutely gobsmacked if they gave a foreigner a job. You probably would be able to find work (and perhaps even a Labour Market Opinion that would lead to a temporary work permit) in HR or training in a province like Alberta, where there is a huge shortage of workers. But in many cases that would involve an interview, and that would require you to fly. You could consider Nova Scotia's Community Identified Stream. But that would involve two or three recce trips (which would necessitate flying). Alternatively, you and your children would need to move to NS as visitors, apply to the Nova Scotia Nominee Program via the CIS, and sustain yourselves while you waited 6 - 8 months for that to go through (with a good chance of, but not a guarantee of, acceptance). Not only would you have to pay your normal living expenses without a salary from a job but, as visitors, your family would not be eligible for provincial health care insurance or free schooling. If you were doing this as a sole adult, it would be one thing. But doing it with two children in tow would terrify the living daylights out of me (I'm speaking only for myself). A tip about posting on the forum. The more context you provide, the more complete the answers you can expect to receive. Not everyone has the time to look through your previous posts to obtain a fuller picture of your situation. |
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Daisy, I just want to address another issue.
Supposing you were able to overcome issues like your inability to fly, and it just came down to finding job opportunities. I want to discuss this, because it may help you, and it also may help other job hunters. Looking at job sites is a start, but only a very tentative start. To make progress towards finding a job in Canada, you have to identify the corporate players in a given industry and given region, and you have to network. The Wiki article called Finding Job Opportunities explains how to find out about corporate players in different regions. That article has a section called "Real Life Examples," which provides links to a couple of discussion threads in which I walked people through that process. Once you have found out who the corporate players are, you have to phone them. This is extremely important. You're at an advantage in the UK, because your time zone is ahead of Canada's several time zones. Therefore you can phone in the evening, while people still are at work in Canada. The Wiki article on Networking explains this process. If you have not already done so, I recommend that you read all the Wiki articles in the series on job hunting in Canada. Hope that helps. |
Re: Disheartened by job prospects.
Thanks very much for your advice Judy it is very much appreciated.
I realise I may have problems getting the type of work I want, although I have seen a Border Guard job in Canada that apparently I can apply for, but only once I have PR. To put my situation further into context, my 'children' are aged 19 and 17 (still my babies though) and my dependents. My daughter is currently in New Zealand (gap year) but will be coming with us to Canada when we go. If I have to go the skilled migrant route and am successful she would have completed university, otherwise she will study in Canada. My son does not want to go to university but is still at school and wants to work for himself. I'm not really daunted about making the move - although I do find all the information daunting. Over the years thousands and thousands of people have emigrated around the world without flying, and I've been told that several people on this site have secured jobs in Canada without actually attending interviews. I do have other skills, I have had my own business in the past for 10 years, and have picked up lots of skills through volunteering. I have lived abroad before for ten years - both my children were born outside of the UK. If unsuccessful with job hunting, I expect I'll take the visitor route and try and get nominated. Thanks again. Any other advice would be most welcome. Daisy |
Re: Disheartened by job prospects.
Originally Posted by Daisyboo
To put my situation further into context, my 'children' are aged 19 and 17 (still my babies though) and my dependents. My daughter is currently in New Zealand (gap year) but will be coming with us to Canada when we go. If I have to go the skilled migrant route and am successful she would have completed university, otherwise she will study in Canada. My son does not want to go to university but is still at school and wants to work for himself.
Daughters and sons, including children adopted before the age of 18, who:
I got that from page 18 of CIC's Guide called Application for Permanent Residence - Federal Skilled Worker Class. So, if you applied via the skilled worker route, your daughter probably would be too old to accompany you as a dependent and, if skilled worker applications carry on taking as long as they currently take, your son may even be too old as well. But there is one point that I don't know. If you don't know it either, there may be merit in your asking for clarification regarding this specific point on the Canada Immigration forum. The point that I don't know is the moment in time at which Citizenship and Immigration Canada closes the door on your kids. Does CIC count your kids' ages at the time that you applied for a permanent residence visa or at the time that you gain admission to Canada? That's what I don't know. Another thing that may be useful to know is that, until they reach 30, your daughter and son can get 12-month working holiday visas (WHVs) through BUNAC. I expect your daughter is in New Zealand on a WHV. There are a couple of BE forum members who have managed to upgrade from WHVs to permanent residence status. (The two who spring immediately to mind did it through British Columbia's Provincial Nominee Program.) Hope the additional information helps. |
Re: Disheartened by job prospects.
Originally Posted by Judy in Calgary
(Post 5866617)
But there is one point that I don't know. If you don't know it either, there may be merit in your asking for clarification regarding this specific point on the Canada Immigration forum. The point that I don't know is the moment in time at which Citizenship and Immigration Canada closes the door on your kids. Does CIC count your kids' ages at the time that you applied for a permanent residence visa or at the time that you gain admission to Canada? That's what I don't know.
http://www.cic.gc.ca/english/resourc...s/op/op06e.pdf Page 3. |
Re: Disheartened by job prospects.
Originally Posted by bazzz
Age is locked in at the time of application. Dependency isn't, but that doesn't matter because they'll count as dependents because of their age.
http://www.cic.gc.ca/english/resourc...s/op/op06e.pdf Page 3. |
Re: Disheartened by job prospects.
You're welcome.
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Re: Disheartened by job prospects.
Originally Posted by Daisyboo
(Post 5864504)
For the last few weeks I've been searching lots of different job sites, some recommended some of which I'd googled and haven't been able to find anything that I could do in Canada (apart from very low paid jobs that require little skill). I do have skills but can't seem to fit them into another job. I've seen hundreds of nursing, engineer, plasterer etc jobs which I know are the type of skills Canada wants. Has anyone else had this problem?
Daisy |
Re: Disheartened by job prospects.
Here's some jobs - looks like (unsurprisingly) you need to be a Canadian Citizen first.
http://www.cbsa-asfc.gc.ca/job-emplo.../menu-eng.html |
Re: Disheartened by job prospects.
Hi Daisy
How about working for yourself? Start your own company doing something you feel best at;) Chris |
Re: Disheartened by job prospects.
Disheartened ? Holy crabs, you want to try looking for a job once over here. That'll put hairs on yer chest.
R. |
Re: Disheartened by job prospects.
Originally Posted by Rich_007
(Post 5869748)
Disheartened ? Holy crabs, you want to try looking for a job once over here. That'll put hairs on yer chest.
R. The way Canadian employers hire is quite different to the UK though. Most employers need jobs filled now, waiting for someone to get visas and move may not work for their business. Some will, if they are unable to find Canadian residents able to do it. Many people have frustrations, but it does come together in time. |
Re: Disheartened by job prospects.
Originally Posted by Surrey Expat
(Post 5869800)
There is lots of work for those willing to put effort into it and willing to do whatever it takes to make immigration work. The way Canadian employers hire is quite different to the UK though.
Unemployment is for the LAZY;) Chris |
Re: Disheartened by job prospects.
Originally Posted by Surrey Expat
(Post 5869800)
There is lots of work for those willing to put effort into it and willing to do whatever it takes to make immigration work. However unless you have a skill that is in short supply and employers need to go that extra mile, then getting hired from overseas is not all that easy.
The way Canadian employers hire is quite different to the UK though. Most employers need jobs filled now, waiting for someone to get visas and move may not work for their business. Some will, if they are unable to find Canadian residents able to do it. Many people have frustrations, but it does come together in time. |
Re: Disheartened by job prospects.
Originally Posted by daft batty
(Post 5871366)
I suggest you think again before insulting people who are trying hard but unsuccessfully to find work.
R. |
Re: Disheartened by job prospects.
Originally Posted by daft batty
(Post 5871366)
er that may be true in BC but it isnt true in other parts of Canada. I suggest you think again before insulting people who are trying hard but unsuccessfully to find work.
I have colleagues across the country experiencing difficulty in finding suitable employees, skilled and unskilled. Cannot comment on people trying unsuccessfully to find work as I do not know how they are going about it. Don't want to insult or offend anybody. Monster.ca report in nationwide labour shortage Vancouver Sun Article Edmonton Journal CBC Report Montser.ca report on Ontario Working.com report on Saskatchewan Organizations such as this can help people trying unsuccessfully to find work. http://www.jobspeterborough.ca/ |
Re: Disheartened by job prospects.
Originally Posted by Surrey Expat
(Post 5872219)
I have colleagues across the country experiencing difficulty in finding suitable employees, skilled and unskilled.
Cannot comment on people trying unsuccessfully to find work as I do not know how they are going about it. Don't want to insult or offend anybody. Along comes Rob, Yanni, Iqbal or John, with a wealth of worldly knowledge and a solid bag of tricks, keen to prove themselves in their new found country, to be given short shrift by an oaf who refuses to give their resume airtime because it 'looks a little odd'. The sooner these dull lifeless talentless oafs wake up, are given some solid new-school HR strategy training, or just listen a little more to what their frustrated HR colleague is saying, the better - for Canada's economy in general and the well being of migrants the length and broad breadth of this nation. Hello oafs - wakey wakey - the labour and skills shortage isn't going to change - get with the program, or move over and let Johnny, Iqbal or Ranjit run the show. R |
Re: Disheartened by job prospects.
Originally Posted by Rich_007
(Post 5872247)
I'll summarise the problem in a nutshell.....in business, Canadians struggle to think outside the box. All is simply going-through-the-motions, functional box-ticking. Recruiters and managers demand a list of skills, quals and experience a kilometre long. In the real world, that perfect combination rarely exists. Or, they are excessively anal about exactly who they want. They fail to have the wide rounded management skills to coach, train and lead new blood. Most achieved their position of responsibility by dull and tedious means of seniority, or being the "presenteeism symptom" robot working long, due diligence hours of servitude hoping for some payback in later years. What you are left with is a detail-orientated, insecure, meddler lacking drive and leadership skills. I generalise of course, but mostly true. Their insecurity and lack of confidence means that a really good guy, is never going to have a chance - might take their job, overshadow their paltry ass-kissing efforts, and generally show them up for the naive, unworldly goon they are.
Along comes Rob, Yanni, Iqbal or John, with a wealth of worldly knowledge and a solid bag of tricks, keen to prove themselves in their new found country, to be given short shrift by an oaf who refuses to give their resume airtime because it 'looks a little odd'. The sooner these dull lifeless talentless oafs wake up, are given some solid new-school HR strategy training, or just listen a little more to what their frustrated HR colleague is saying, the better - for Canada's economy in general and the well being of migrants the length and broad breadth of this nation. Hello oafs - wakey wakey - the labour and skills shortage isn't going to change - get with the program, or move over and let Johnny, Iqbal or Ranjit run the show. R |
Re: Disheartened by job prospects.
Originally Posted by Surrey Expat
(Post 5872521)
I think you live in a different employment world to the rest of us.
Maybe you've not seen enough of BC business to recognise what I describe. R. |
Re: Disheartened by job prospects.
Hear, Hear!! Eloquently and succinctly put, that pretty much sums up my views and experience of the whole recruitment process here, many insecure antiquated folk.
As I was asked at one interview (i summarise) "your experience and qualifications are just what we are looking for, however you never know what your getting when dealing with applicants from away, also how will I know that you will not take my job in a few months", at least some are open about it I suppose. |
Re: Disheartened by job prospects.
Originally Posted by Rich_007
(Post 5872247)
I'll summarise the problem in a nutshell.....in business, Canadians struggle to think outside the box. All is simply going-through-the-motions, functional box-ticking. Recruiters and managers demand a list of skills, quals and experience a kilometre long. In the real world, that perfect combination rarely exists. Or, they are excessively anal about exactly who they want. They fail to have the wide rounded management skills to coach, train and lead new blood. Most achieved their position of responsibility by dull and tedious means of seniority, or being the "presenteeism symptom" robot working long, due diligence hours of servitude hoping for some payback in later years. What you are left with is a detail-orientated, insecure, meddler lacking drive and leadership skills. I generalise of course, but mostly true. Their insecurity and lack of confidence means that a really good guy, is never going to have a chance - might take their job, overshadow their paltry ass-kissing efforts, and generally show them up for the naive, unworldly goon they are.
Along comes Rob, Yanni, Iqbal or John, with a wealth of worldly knowledge and a solid bag of tricks, keen to prove themselves in their new found country, to be given short shrift by an oaf who refuses to give their resume airtime because it 'looks a little odd'. The sooner these dull lifeless talentless oafs wake up, are given some solid new-school HR strategy training, or just listen a little more to what their frustrated HR colleague is saying, the better - for Canada's economy in general and the well being of migrants the length and broad breadth of this nation. Hello oafs - wakey wakey - the labour and skills shortage isn't going to change - get with the program, or move over and let Johnny, Iqbal or Ranjit run the show. R |
Re: Disheartened by job prospects.
Originally Posted by Surrey Expat
(Post 5872219)
Ontario was the first province to introduce the Agricultural Foreign Workers program to bring in temporary labor from Mexico. This was due to an acute shortage of unskilled labour in the province. BC followed suit because of a similar problem.
I have colleagues across the country experiencing difficulty in finding suitable employees, skilled and unskilled. Cannot comment on people trying unsuccessfully to find work as I do not know how they are going about it. Don't want to insult or offend anybody. Monster.ca report in nationwide labour shortage Vancouver Sun Article Edmonton Journal CBC Report Montser.ca report on Ontario Working.com report on Saskatchewan Organizations such as this can help people trying unsuccessfully to find work. http://www.jobspeterborough.ca/ The local papers have maybe a dozen jobs a week advertised. Usually fewer. The link you so kindly posted has 20 jobs, many of those will be on $8 an hour. Thats 20 jobs for the whole of Peterborough county, around 134,000 people. Most employers don't advertise so you have to send your resume in to anywhere you think may employ you. You have to know people to get a foot in the door. We moved here after checking websites and local govt info that said the economy was booming, plenty of work. That isnt the reality of living here. . |
Re: Disheartened by job prospects.
Originally Posted by daft batty
(Post 5874051)
Thats 20 jobs for the whole of Peterborough county, around 134,000 people.
Most employers don't advertise so you have to send your resume in to anywhere you think may employ you. You have to know people to get a foot in the door.......the economy was booming, plenty of work. That isnt the reality of living here. . I'm not a naysayer at all, but unless people have $500k to a $million plus, just don't bother coming here (to Kelowna) unless you are prepared to try it at somewhat of a high risk and suck up what you have to suck up, while enjoying the pleasure and leisure it has to offer. R. |
Re: Disheartened by job prospects.
Originally Posted by Daisyboo
(Post 5866431)
Thanks very much for your advice Judy it is very much appreciated.
I realise I may have problems getting the type of work I want, although I have seen a Border Guard job in Canada that apparently I can apply for, but only once I have PR. To put my situation further into context, my 'children' are aged 19 and 17 (still my babies though) and my dependents. My daughter is currently in New Zealand (gap year) but will be coming with us to Canada when we go. If I have to go the skilled migrant route and am successful she would have completed university, otherwise she will study in Canada. My son does not want to go to university but is still at school and wants to work for himself. I'm not really daunted about making the move - although I do find all the information daunting. Over the years thousands and thousands of people have emigrated around the world without flying, and I've been told that several people on this site have secured jobs in Canada without actually attending interviews. I do have other skills, I have had my own business in the past for 10 years, and have picked up lots of skills through volunteering. I have lived abroad before for ten years - both my children were born outside of the UK. If unsuccessful with job hunting, I expect I'll take the visitor route and try and get nominated. Thanks again. Any other advice would be most welcome. Daisy Daisy ,there is a very slim chance that CBSA may consider your application.Have a look at the answer on question#7 It showed that they have not entirely shut the door to non Canadian applicants. You might have the qualifications and skills in which there are not enough qualified Canadians to fill the positions. http://jobs-emplois.gc.ca/menu/faq_e.htm Good luck with your job hunting. Yoong |
Re: Disheartened by job prospects.
Originally Posted by Judy in Calgary
(Post 5866617)
Daisy, the definition of dependent children, for the purposes of immigration is:
Daughters and sons, including children adopted before the age of 18, who:
I got that from page 18 of CIC's Guide called Application for Permanent Residence - Federal Skilled Worker Class. So, if you applied via the skilled worker route, your daughter probably would be too old to accompany you as a dependent and, if skilled worker applications carry on taking as long as they currently take, your son may even be too old as well. But there is one point that I don't know. If you don't know it either, there may be merit in your asking for clarification regarding this specific point on the Canada Immigration forum. The point that I don't know is the moment in time at which Citizenship and Immigration Canada closes the door on your kids. Does CIC count your kids' ages at the time that you applied for a permanent residence visa or at the time that you gain admission to Canada? That's what I don't know. Another thing that may be useful to know is that, until they reach 30, your daughter and son can get 12-month working holiday visas (WHVs) through BUNAC. I expect your daughter is in New Zealand on a WHV. There are a couple of BE forum members who have managed to upgrade from WHVs to permanent residence status. (The two who spring immediately to mind did it through British Columbia's Provincial Nominee Program.) Hope the additional information helps. |
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Another great read! Unfortunatley for me I joined the Army at 17 and have worked full time since, I am crapping myself to be unemployed:unsure::unsure:
Anyway I am willing to work at anything, again I have so little trade to offer an employer ( not much call for tactics and tank busting in civil street even in Canada LOL):) |
Re: Disheartened by job prospects.
Originally Posted by Rich_007
(Post 5872247)
I'll summarise the problem in a nutshell.....in business, Canadians struggle to think outside the box. All is simply going-through-the-motions, functional box-ticking. Recruiters and managers demand a list of skills, quals and experience a kilometre long. In the real world, that perfect combination rarely exists. Or, they are excessively anal about exactly who they want. They fail to have the wide rounded management skills to coach, train and lead new blood. Most achieved their position of responsibility by dull and tedious means of seniority, or being the "presenteeism symptom" robot working long, due diligence hours of servitude hoping for some payback in later years. What you are left with is a detail-orientated, insecure, meddler lacking drive and leadership skills. I generalise of course, but mostly true. Their insecurity and lack of confidence means that a really good guy, is never going to have a chance - might take their job, overshadow their paltry ass-kissing efforts, and generally show them up for the naive, unworldly goon they are.
Along comes Rob, Yanni, Iqbal or John, with a wealth of worldly knowledge and a solid bag of tricks, keen to prove themselves in their new found country, to be given short shrift by an oaf who refuses to give their resume airtime because it 'looks a little odd'. The sooner these dull lifeless talentless oafs wake up, are given some solid new-school HR strategy training, or just listen a little more to what their frustrated HR colleague is saying, the better - for Canada's economy in general and the well being of migrants the length and broad breadth of this nation. Hello oafs - wakey wakey - the labour and skills shortage isn't going to change - get with the program, or move over and let Johnny, Iqbal or Ranjit run the show. R |
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OK
That me quids in! I have learnt one thing in the British Army ..... Bluff it all the way:rofl: |
Re: Disheartened by job prospects.
Originally Posted by Rich_007
(Post 5874114)
Likewise Kelowna, population 108,000 probably has 20 openings that pay more than twenty bucks an hour. The rest is retail/service sector, minimum wage or thereabouts dogs droppings.
I'm not a naysayer at all, but unless people have $500k to a $million plus, just don't bother coming here (to Kelowna) unless you are prepared to try it at somewhat of a high risk and suck up what you have to suck up, while enjoying the pleasure and leisure it has to offer. R. I've lived and owned a business in Kelowna and believe me it is not a place to begin or continue a career. First most of the economy of the Okanagan Valley is mostly based on either Tourism or Agriculture and does not pay well. Second there are a very high number of retirees in Kelowna (and Summerland and Osoyoos and Vernon), who have limited disposable income to spend supporting businesses that create jobs. My advice to you is that if you're looking for a career or a decent well paying job, you need to move out of the Okanagan Valley to somewhere else in Canada, like Vancouver, Calgary or possibly Saskatchewan, as that's where the well paying jobs are available and where you can build a career. If you want to stay in the Okanagan Valley to enjoy the climate, be prepared to accept low paying mac jobs as the price you pay (sometimes called the sunshine tax). |
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Originally Posted by Chi_Nook
(Post 6770809)
t if you're looking for a career or a decent well paying job, you need to move out of the Okanagan Valley to somewhere else in Canada, like Vancouver, Calgary or possibly Saskatchewan, as that's where the well paying jobs are available and where you can build a career.
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Re: Disheartened by job prospects.
Originally Posted by Chi_Nook
(Post 6770809)
I've lived and owned a business in Kelowna and believe me it is not a place to begin or continue a career. First most of the economy of the Okanagan Valley is mostly based on either Tourism or Agriculture and does not pay well. Second there are a very high number of retirees in Kelowna (and Summerland and Osoyoos and Vernon), who have limited disposable income to spend supporting businesses that create jobs. My advice to you is that if you're looking for a career or a decent well paying job, you need to move out of the Okanagan Valley to somewhere else in Canada, like Vancouver, Calgary or possibly Saskatchewan, as that's where the well paying jobs are available and where you can build a career. If you want to stay in the Okanagan Valley to enjoy the climate, be prepared to accept low paying mac jobs as the price you pay (sometimes called the sunshine tax).
Don't worry, I'm not here for the career, just to doss about and have a great time. I have a great gig but it's come-and-go, here-and-there, kinda stuff in Kelowna. R. |
Re: Disheartened by job prospects.
Originally Posted by Rich_007
(Post 6770882)
Wow. I don't need the lecture. I'm the one (usually) giving it. Falls on deaf ears mostly.
Don't worry, I'm not here for the career, just to doss about and have a great time. I have a great gig but it's come-and-go, here-and-there, kinda stuff in Kelowna. R. |
Re: Disheartened by job prospects.
Originally Posted by Chi_Nook
(Post 6770890)
Good well paying jobs are hard to find in the Okanagan Valley for anyone not just immigrants.
R. |
Re: Disheartened by job prospects.
Originally Posted by Rich_007
(Post 6770934)
I count my blessings :cool: and it beats picking fruit or selling crack in Rutland :thumbup:
R. |
Re: Disheartened by job prospects.
Originally Posted by Chi_Nook
(Post 6770998)
Good for you. Rutland...urgh!!!
OK now I have to mention...Hein Road. R. |
Re: Disheartened by job prospects.
Daisy I think realistically you need to apply for permenant residence before considering what employment you would take. I don't think it's impossible to work for Canadian Border Services but as Judy says at the outset they give priority to Canadian citizens. Once you have PR there is nothing to stop you applying though. I know of a married couple who were Customs Officers in the UK who emigrated a few years back and now work for CBS and I have an application in myself!
I also agree with the earlier posts. A few days back we bought some furniture in Sears and the salesman had an MSc in Chemistry so having a good education is no guarantee of a good job. It may mean working in Walmart for a while. It's got be better than Martello Towers though surely? However your unwillingness to fly is a major obstacle. I would consider hypnosis or something like that to overcome your fears. There are not a lot of cruise ships these days and you need to visit Canada before deciding whether or not it's for you. You need to ask yourself can you save enough to live on possibly for months with no income and are you prepared to take a relatively low paid job. |
Re: Disheartened by job prospects.
Originally Posted by dinger24
(Post 6770245)
OK
That me quids in! I have learnt one thing in the British Army ..... Bluff it all the way:rofl: |
Re: Disheartened by job prospects.
The British Army are renowned for thier social skills. The odd few bad apples makes more interesting news than 50 blokes having a great fun day out!
So if social skills are more important than actual work skills I have no dramas:thumbsup: |
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