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MrHyperPants Jun 5th 2014 2:09 pm

Re: The difference between UK and Canada construction sites
 

Originally Posted by withabix (Post 11289295)
A lot worse than the UK.

They artificially disguise the statistics in Canada by having 'back to work programmes', so they will get a carpenter with a broken leg back to work on day 3 after an accident sat in the lunch room reading the paper or surfing the internet.

Your employer will send the Superintendent (or his lacky) with you to hospital with the back-to-work forms, to make sure it happens before the doctor tells you to go home to recover for a few weeks.

That way that broken leg doesn't get counted...

Exactly what used to happen in the UK about 20 years ago.

Which is where safety is in Canada - about 1994.

Some things they are quite hot on (certainly in BC): silica, confined spaces and noise. But that's about it.

Working at height is still where it was in the UK in the early 1990s. Edge protection (if it is there) will be made of wood and might stop you falling over the edge if you are skinny (and short).

You will be buying your own boots. Decent ones are twice the price they are in the UK and you can't claim the cost back in most cases.

Don't expect a method statement or a proper risk assessment unless you are doing something REALLY dangerous.

The site I'm on in BC they are hot on fall protection. The silica dust makes me laugh as there is loads of it still left on the floors which is probably been blown around and you end up breathing it in.

MrHyperPants Jun 5th 2014 2:27 pm

Re: The difference between UK and Canada construction sites
 
I had to buy all my ppe. Hard hat, hi vis as they are not supplied. Obviously you have to buy your own boots. I paid $170 (£100) for my boots. You can get cheaper, but I wouldn't recommend it as they will hurt like $&@!. Your boots have to be CSA approved with a green triangle on them.

I got a hi vis for $20 but I hate it as it has velcro holding it together on the shoulders and on the front. The Velcro on the shoulders rubs on my neck and is annoying. You can end up paying $70 - $100 for a really good one.

I paid $10 for my hard hat.

I live in Vancouver s prices may differ else where.

Check out Marks for ppe gear.

withabix Jun 5th 2014 3:30 pm

Re: The difference between UK and Canada construction sites
 

Originally Posted by MrHyperPants (Post 11290330)
The silica dust makes me laugh as there is loads of it still left on the floors which is probably been blown around and you end up breathing it in.

It's the silica dust you can't see (or hangs in the air like smoke) that's the problem. 10 micron size. That's 1/60th of the size of cement powder. You will know how fine cement powder is!

If you can see it (or can sweep it up), it isn't small enough to get absorbed into the lining of your lungs.

The only dust small enough comes of an high speed angle grinder or a disc cutter in quantity (mechanical abrasion). That's why you should use a water kit, slow speed grinders or a vacuum kit with HEPA filters.

The HEPA filters only last about half an hour, so stick to water or slow speed grinders.

withabix Jun 5th 2014 3:39 pm

Re: The difference between UK and Canada construction sites
 

Originally Posted by happyhammers (Post 11289922)
how are you meant to manage the subbys properly ?

Generally, they do what they like (especially if the Union says that working like a dick is how it's supposed done - see roofing and steel erecting!).

You subbies' accidents don't count against your company and the 'write ups' they get from WorkSafeBC (if you are in BC) don't count against the your company either.

So.....you aren't really bothered about the safe working of your subbies.

It shouldn't work like that, but it does.

Your company gets billed for all medical treatment and other associated costs following an accident. The Doctor or Hospital bills WorkSafeBC and that charge gets passed on to the Employer through their annual premium.

MikeUK Jun 6th 2014 12:20 am

Re: The difference between UK and Canada construction sites
 

Originally Posted by withabix (Post 11290385)
The only dust small enough comes of an high speed angle grinder or a disc cutter in quantity (mechanical abrasion). That's why you should use a water kit, slow speed grinders or a vacuum kit with HEPA filters.

The HEPA filters only last about half an hour, so stick to water or slow speed grinders.

Which is why you shouldn't see circular cutters/grinders spitting out huge clouds of dust.....but you almost always do ....

I learned quickly on the site's with construction, stay out of the areas, don't look because you'll feel compelled to say something, and you'll feel marginalized the next week when you walk past and nothing has changed….
:thumbdown:

happyhammers Jun 6th 2014 12:32 am

Re: The difference between UK and Canada construction sites
 

Originally Posted by MikeUK (Post 11290699)
Which is why you shouldn't see circular cutters/grinders spitting out huge clouds of dust.....but you almost always do ....

I learned quickly on the site's with construction, stay out of the areas, don't look because you'll feel compelled to say something, and you'll feel marginalized the next week when you walk past and nothing has changed….
:thumbdown:

After all that has been said so far, this is going to be interesting when I start work !
Can anyone comment on the style of management they have experienced with the main contractors

the undutchables Jun 6th 2014 12:44 am

Re: The difference between UK and Canada construction sites
 

Originally Posted by happyhammers (Post 11289272)
Interesting to know how you get on with the curing in such low temperatures ?

We have poured concrete slabs in -22. They have an additive in the concrete to help stop it freezing, and the forms are covered with insulated tarps, and heated with space heaters all around, or from below.

In winter all the forms are covered with tarps to keep the snow off. We have spent days on end just removing snow from forms, so it doesn't build up too much and freeze solid.

The winters are a real pain, very little work gets done, and working in the cold (-20 / -30) is very wearing. A lot of the smaller companies here in Calgary shut down end of October until March /April

As already mentioned, Canada is like the UK 20 years ago, for most things, not just construction.

happyhammers Jun 6th 2014 12:57 am

Re: The difference between UK and Canada construction sites
 

Originally Posted by the undutchables (Post 11290726)
We have poured concrete slabs in -22. They have an additive in the concrete to help stop it freezing, and the forms are covered with insulated tarps, and heated with space heaters all around, or from below.

In winter all the forms are covered with tarps to keep the snow off. We have spent days on end just removing snow from forms, so it doesn't build up too much and freeze solid.

The winters are a real pain, very little work gets done, and working in the cold (-20 / -30) is very wearing. A lot of the smaller companies here in Calgary shut down end of October until March /April

As already mentioned, Canada is like the UK 20 years ago, for most things, not just construction.

Shed's some light on it for me , thanks mate


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