DEET in mosy spray
Jul 13th 2012, 5:02 pm
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Re: DEET in mosy spray
A question for all you fact gatherers.
Why would all these organisations spend hundreds of thousands of dollars on comparison studies (scientific clinical tests) between Deet products and Skin So Soft, if Skin So Soft was ineffective?
If it truly did not work why would they bother with it?
Because it's the drug companies trying to discredit it because they can't make money from it because it isn't a drug.
In anticipation....
Why would all these organisations spend hundreds of thousands of dollars on comparison studies (scientific clinical tests) between Deet products and Skin So Soft, if Skin So Soft was ineffective?
If it truly did not work why would they bother with it?
Because it's the drug companies trying to discredit it because they can't make money from it because it isn't a drug.
In anticipation....
Jul 13th 2012, 5:06 pm
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Re: DEET in mosy spray
A question for all you fact gatherers.
Why would all these organisations spend hundreds of thousands of dollars on comparison studies (scientific clinical tests) between Deet products and Skin So Soft, if Skin So Soft was ineffective?
If it truly did not work why would they bother with it?
Because it's the drug companies trying to discredit it because they can't make money from it because it isn't a drug.
In anticipation....
Why would all these organisations spend hundreds of thousands of dollars on comparison studies (scientific clinical tests) between Deet products and Skin So Soft, if Skin So Soft was ineffective?
If it truly did not work why would they bother with it?
Because it's the drug companies trying to discredit it because they can't make money from it because it isn't a drug.
In anticipation....
Jul 13th 2012, 5:09 pm
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Re: DEET in mosy spray
A question for all you fact gatherers.
Why would all these organisations spend hundreds of thousands of dollars on comparison studies (scientific clinical tests) between Deet products and Skin So Soft, if Skin So Soft was ineffective?
If it truly did not work why would they bother with it?
Because it's the drug companies trying to discredit it because they can't make money from it because it isn't a drug.
In anticipation....
Why would all these organisations spend hundreds of thousands of dollars on comparison studies (scientific clinical tests) between Deet products and Skin So Soft, if Skin So Soft was ineffective?
If it truly did not work why would they bother with it?
Because it's the drug companies trying to discredit it because they can't make money from it because it isn't a drug.
In anticipation....
My wife was trying to guage this last summer out of curiousty and it seemes she wasn't bitten during that time.
I said the mozzies were probably scared of her but she thinks it could be different smells and other womanly things.
Jul 13th 2012, 5:19 pm
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Re: DEET in mosy spray
Do you find you are bitten less, or not at all, when you're on your period?
My wife was trying to guage this last summer out of curiousty and it seemes she wasn't bitten during that time.
I said the mozzies were probably scared of her but she thinks it could be different smells and other womanly things.
My wife was trying to guage this last summer out of curiousty and it seemes she wasn't bitten during that time.
I said the mozzies were probably scared of her but she thinks it could be different smells and other womanly things.
Try to get her to change her underwear more than once a week. That might help
Jul 13th 2012, 5:25 pm
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Re: DEET in mosy spray
A question for all you fact gatherers.
Why would all these organisations spend hundreds of thousands of dollars on comparison studies (scientific clinical tests) between Deet products and Skin So Soft, if Skin So Soft was ineffective?
If it truly did not work why would they bother with it?
Because it's the drug companies trying to discredit it because they can't make money from it because it isn't a drug.
In anticipation....
Why would all these organisations spend hundreds of thousands of dollars on comparison studies (scientific clinical tests) between Deet products and Skin So Soft, if Skin So Soft was ineffective?
If it truly did not work why would they bother with it?
Because it's the drug companies trying to discredit it because they can't make money from it because it isn't a drug.
In anticipation....
Skin so soft does work, it just doesnt work as well as DEET based products. Nothing, so far, works as well as Deet based products, and the weight of scientific evidence to date is that the health risks of deet for adults and kids of a certain age are outweighed by the protection offered.
The rant about drug companies sounds a little too "tin foil hat" for my taste, I just go by the facts. Its not the drug companies making the stuff anyway, the most common brand OFF is made by SC Johnson, who started off in cleaning products. Something like Off skintastic is no more pricey than Skinsosoft. Avon themselves are not a non profit organisation, and they make no claims for it as a bug repellent, not that they have too anyway.
Last edited by iaink; Jul 13th 2012 at 5:40 pm.
Jul 13th 2012, 5:44 pm
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Re: DEET in mosy spray
It works for a short while, a very short while. Not as long as DEET.
Jul 13th 2012, 5:58 pm
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Re: DEET in mosy spray
Because there is a lot of rumour and misinformation out there, bounce sheets for example... Mosquito bourne disease is a serious threat, and government depertments and researchers want to know what works and what doesnt, via controlled trials with disease free mosquitos.
Skin so soft does work, it just doesnt work as well as DEET based products. Nothing, so far, works as well as Deet based products, and the weight of scientific evidence to date is that the health risks of deet for adults and kids of a certain age are outweighed by the protection offered.
The rant about drug companies sounds a little too "tin foil hat" for my taste, I just go by the facts. Its not the drug companies making the stuff anyway, the most common brand OFF is made by SC Johnson, who started off in cleaning products. Something like Off skintastic is no more pricey than Skinsosoft. Avon themselves are not a non profit organisation, and they make no claims for it as a bug repellent, not that they have too anyway.
Skin so soft does work, it just doesnt work as well as DEET based products. Nothing, so far, works as well as Deet based products, and the weight of scientific evidence to date is that the health risks of deet for adults and kids of a certain age are outweighed by the protection offered.
The rant about drug companies sounds a little too "tin foil hat" for my taste, I just go by the facts. Its not the drug companies making the stuff anyway, the most common brand OFF is made by SC Johnson, who started off in cleaning products. Something like Off skintastic is no more pricey than Skinsosoft. Avon themselves are not a non profit organisation, and they make no claims for it as a bug repellent, not that they have too anyway.
SSS makes no claims, as if it did it would have to go through the massive expense of getting it classed as a mosquito repellant They sell tons of it, so why bother.
Jul 13th 2012, 6:18 pm
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Re: DEET in mosy spray
Well we are getting there slowly. We have gone from SSS does NOT work, to well it works a little bit, to well it DOES work but not as well as Deet. Even if that this is the case I would rather put harmless SSS on my kids and have to apply it more frequently, than spray them with harmful chemicals.
SSS makes no claims, as if it did it would have to go through the massive expense of getting it classed as a mosquito repellant They sell tons of it, so why bother.
SSS makes no claims, as if it did it would have to go through the massive expense of getting it classed as a mosquito repellant They sell tons of it, so why bother.
It works, just not well.
How do you know SSS is harmless? The studies dont even know whats in it. The latest poison epedemic in the US is due to kids eating brightly coloured laundry detergent "pods".Im sure the detergents were considered harmless for their intended purpose too.
An absence of data doesnt make anything more or less harmless than something where the risks are known.
Interestingly the study (linked above) tested a product called "Skin-So-Soft Bug Guard Plus", so clearly the testing aspect doesnt bother Avon. (found to be effective 10 to 60 minutes). My guess is that Avon make no claims for it because the have no data to support that.
As you say, avon sell tons of SSS, but if you want effective long lasting protection from the dangers of West Nile or just the discomfort of the bites, then you are proven to be better off using DEET.
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Jul 13th 2012, 6:51 pm
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Re: DEET in mosy spray
No, I said (exagerating perhaps, its the internet after all) that it works for 5 minutes. The actual study I was recalling reports it works for "1 to 30 minutes". Other studies report slighty better effectiveness, none that Ive seen find it holds a candle to DEET.
It works, just not well.
How do you know SSS is harmless? The studies dont even know whats in it. The latest poison epedemic in the US is due to kids eating brightly coloured laundry detergent "pods".Im sure the detergents were considered harmless for their intended purpose too.
An absence of data doesnt make anything more or less harmless than something where the risks are known.
Interestingly the study (linked above) tested a product called "Skin-So-Soft Bug Guard Plus", so clearly the testing aspect doesnt bother Avon. (found to be effective 10 to 60 minutes). My guess is that Avon make no claims for it because the have no data to support that.
As you say, avon sell tons of SSS, but if you want effective long lasting protection from the dangers of West Nile or just the discomfort of the bites, then you are proven to be better off using DEET.
It works, just not well.
How do you know SSS is harmless? The studies dont even know whats in it. The latest poison epedemic in the US is due to kids eating brightly coloured laundry detergent "pods".Im sure the detergents were considered harmless for their intended purpose too.
An absence of data doesnt make anything more or less harmless than something where the risks are known.
Interestingly the study (linked above) tested a product called "Skin-So-Soft Bug Guard Plus", so clearly the testing aspect doesnt bother Avon. (found to be effective 10 to 60 minutes). My guess is that Avon make no claims for it because the have no data to support that.
As you say, avon sell tons of SSS, but if you want effective long lasting protection from the dangers of West Nile or just the discomfort of the bites, then you are proven to be better off using DEET.
Oh and BTW..... Propecia that scientificly tested magic hair restorer, passed by the FDA is now under scrutiny for massive side effects.
Yet ANOTHER class action suit against the drug companies approaching...
Jul 13th 2012, 6:56 pm
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Re: DEET in mosy spray
Health Canada states:
"DEET
Registered products containing DEET, when used as directed, are acceptable for use. Health Canada completed the latest review in 2001, which was also supported by the Canadian Paediatric Society.
The higher the DEET concentration in the repellent formula, the longer it provides protection. While this is true for protection against both mosquitos and ticks, DEET repels mosquitos for a longer duration than for ticks. When seeking protection against ticks, look for a product that specifies use for ticks. Health Canada has approved the following concentrations for different age groups. Prolonged use should be avoided in children under the age of 12.
Up to 30% concentration of DEET for adults and children over 12 years of age. One application of 30% DEET should be effective for six hours against mosquitos.
Up to 10% concentration for children aged two to 12, applied up to three times daily. One application of 10% DEET should be effective for three hours against mosquitos.
Up to 10% concentration for children aged six months to two years, applied no more than once daily. One application of 10% DEET offers three hours of protection against mosquitos.
Do not use personal insect repellents containing DEET on infants under six months of age. Use a mosquito net when the child is outdoors in a crib, playpen or stroller."
"DEET
Registered products containing DEET, when used as directed, are acceptable for use. Health Canada completed the latest review in 2001, which was also supported by the Canadian Paediatric Society.
The higher the DEET concentration in the repellent formula, the longer it provides protection. While this is true for protection against both mosquitos and ticks, DEET repels mosquitos for a longer duration than for ticks. When seeking protection against ticks, look for a product that specifies use for ticks. Health Canada has approved the following concentrations for different age groups. Prolonged use should be avoided in children under the age of 12.
Up to 30% concentration of DEET for adults and children over 12 years of age. One application of 30% DEET should be effective for six hours against mosquitos.
Up to 10% concentration for children aged two to 12, applied up to three times daily. One application of 10% DEET should be effective for three hours against mosquitos.
Up to 10% concentration for children aged six months to two years, applied no more than once daily. One application of 10% DEET offers three hours of protection against mosquitos.
Do not use personal insect repellents containing DEET on infants under six months of age. Use a mosquito net when the child is outdoors in a crib, playpen or stroller."
Jul 13th 2012, 6:58 pm
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Re: DEET in mosy spray
What are the side effects of ingesting SSS bath oil? I doubt anyone has studied it to be honest.
No one is saying that DEET doesnt have a down side, and I went out of my way to get something Deet free and effective for my kids when they were still at that "hands in mouth" stage because of that.
The US FDA must by now have approved literally millions of products. If bringing up a half dozen that they know they got wrong is evidence that ALL the ones they passed are defective then God help us.
No one is saying that DEET doesnt have a down side, and I went out of my way to get something Deet free and effective for my kids when they were still at that "hands in mouth" stage because of that.
The US FDA must by now have approved literally millions of products. If bringing up a half dozen that they know they got wrong is evidence that ALL the ones they passed are defective then God help us.
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Jul 13th 2012, 7:13 pm
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Re: DEET in mosy spray
No I don't understand a lot of science. But I do understand greed and corruption. My 'wisdom' actually makes me realise that in many ways I am smarter than you.
If you want to know what my point is why not ask me, rather than asking the question and then giving your answer to your own question.
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