Re: Crime rates
Originally Posted by Jules Europe
(Post 6766613)
Hyphenation impressive word first time I`ve heard this and I assume it means some type of non integration. Well a similair thing occcurs in most of the EU anyway.
As for Toronto growing, i am sure it will as there doesn`t seem to be any way to stop it, so more pollution and respiratory diseases to make people feel even worse. Seems like urban growth could be better employed elsewhere. But didn`t I say that several hours ago:confused: |
Re: Crime rates
Originally Posted by Novocastrian
(Post 6766631)
Honest curiousity here, Jules. What is your first language?
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Re: Crime rates
Originally Posted by Jules Europe
(Post 6766647)
I`m bilingual English and Spanish
You may thank me for introducing well needed thread drift at a later opportunity. |
Re: Crime rates
Originally Posted by Novocastrian
(Post 6766658)
Thought so.
You may thank me for introducing well needed thread drift at a later opportunity. |
Re: Crime rates
Originally Posted by Jules Europe
(Post 6766673)
Please translate now my English is not so good?:eek:
You are (as far as I'm concerned) a welcome newcomer here and I hope you stick around, but the subject of comparative crime rates in various countries has been done to death a thousand times on this board. Your earlier posts on the subject appear to be knee jerk reaction to the UK gutter press's harping on and on and on about something which, quite frankly, is not that much different here. dbd33 has already said all that needs to be said on the topic. He, however is almost certainly now starting his 1.5 hour commute from downtown Toronto, to his home in the backwaters of rural Ontario. He may not reply for a while. |
Re: Crime rates
Originally Posted by Novocastrian
(Post 6766750)
Your English is excellent, but it's obvious it's not your first language. "Thread drift" describes the tendency for posts to digress from the original topic after the original topic has been exhausted.
You are (as far as I'm concerned) a welcome newcomer here and I hope you stick around, but the subject of comparative crime rates in various countries has been done to death a thousand times on this board. Your earlier posts on the subject appear to be knee jerk reaction to the UK gutter press's harping on and on and on about something which, quite frankly, is not that much different here. dbd33 has already said all that needs to be said on the topic. He, however is almost certainly now starting his 1.5 hour commute from downtown Toronto, to his home in the backwaters of rural Ontario. He may not reply for a while. |
Re: Crime rates
Originally Posted by Jules Europe
(Post 6766792)
As said bad news sells the world over. My general point being from the beginning is that Brits will probably find a safer environment in Canada, Australia, NZ, Spain etc that they would in the Uk, that was my point and basically a simple point. As for why this thread drifted into something else over the period of several hours.... well that is one of lifes many mysteries:curse: It could be that I have listened to too much Megadeth today:rofl:
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Re: Crime rates
Originally Posted by Novocastrian
(Post 6766811)
OK. I can't be bothered to scroll up all the way but someone (I think someone in the US) posted links to the real statistics way up thread. Your contention is simply not true.
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Re: Crime rates
Although I am way too weary to get through this whole thread tonight, I did pick up on the notion that immigration centres around the usual core locations. I read an article recently which would appear to show a drift in the 'normal' immigrant locations. Although I'm not a fan of statistics, it certainly wasn't what I was expecting to see.
Here is is....http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servl.../National/home The guts of the article is this... The number of foreign permanent residents is rising in these communities: Charlottetown: +50.2% Halifax: +44.8% Moncton: +74% Edmonton: +52% Calgary: +32% Montreal: +36% ...while declining in these cities Toronto: -20.8% Vancouver: -1% Of course, this does specify permanent residents and therefore does not appear to take into account the numbers arriving on TWP/family etc streams. But still, it's an interesting point. The article focuses on average salaries and other such financial incentives which attract would-be immigrants to the various provinces. Which begs the question - Are people really looking for intangible benefits ie low crime rate (percieved or otherwise), wide open space, time with family, snow mobile and the like. Based on many posts on forums such as BE, this would appear to be the case. However, some weight has to be given to the official figures which would indicate that immigrants are choosing their location based on immediate monetary benefits ie larger salary, less tax etc. So to hell with the crime rates and associated misery, it would appear that the dollar is king. |
Re: Crime rates
Originally Posted by dbd33
(Post 6765467)
In England there's a right to roam which allows access to the countryside, there's no equivalent in Canada so I don't know that the majority of people living in Canada actually have greater access to open space than the majority of Britons. I walk the dog in the country on weekends but I'd do that if I lived in Kilburn.
I concede that someone who doesn't have to work could have a lot more open space in Canada; Northern Ontario, for example, is empty. I agree with you there is little public access to the countryside in Canada, which we found very strange when we lived there. I though you would have the Great Out doors on your doorstep. Most land is private and non rights of way like the UK. We had to drive 50km to the national park to "walk in the countryside" with the family. In Kent I can walk out of my driveway and across the road to a South Downs footpath which will take us across the Downs or along the East Kent coast. North Ontario is pretty empty and infested with blackfies/mozzies from my experience. hudd |
Re: Crime rates
Originally Posted by hudd
(Post 6767037)
dbd33
I agree with you there is little public access to the countryside in Canada, which we found very strange when we lived there. I though you would have the Great Out doors on your doorstep. Most land is private and non rights of way like the UK. We had to drive 50km to the national park to "walk in the countryside" with the family. In Kent I can walk out of my driveway and across the road to a South Downs footpath which will take us across the Downs or along the East Kent coast. hudd Wow :huh: Geezzzzz, What a thread ! Tee hee .. My family and I have been out in town for an Italian tonight after writing my last post, was yummy :p. Have just come back and have been reading the backlog :ohmy:! Not sure what to say or think really, kind of lost in it all:confused:, though it has been interesting to read and learn from other peoples views. I have travelled to many countries I believe, though mostly in Europe. I highlighted the above post because although I know little by first hand experience with the so called 'great outdoors' in these vast countries like Canada, Oz and NZ, it seems bizaar but primarily true that people aren't able to explore and have the easy access to the lands/countrysides like how we do here in the UK. |
Re: Crime rates
Originally Posted by ireland2canada
(Post 6766995)
Although I am way too weary to get through this whole thread tonight, I did pick up on the notion that immigration centres around the usual core locations. I read an article recently which would appear to show a drift in the 'normal' immigrant locations. Although I'm not a fan of statistics, it certainly wasn't what I was expecting to see.
Here is is....http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servl.../National/home The guts of the article is this... The number of foreign permanent residents is rising in these communities: Charlottetown: +50.2% Halifax: +44.8% Moncton: +74% Edmonton: +52% Calgary: +32% Montreal: +36% ...while declining in these cities Toronto: -20.8% Vancouver: -1% Of course, this does specify permanent residents and therefore does not appear to take into account the numbers arriving on TWP/family etc streams. But still, it's an interesting point. The article focuses on average salaries and other such financial incentives which attract would-be immigrants to the various provinces. Which begs the question - Are people really looking for intangible benefits ie low crime rate (percieved or otherwise), wide open space, time with family, snow mobile and the like. Based on many posts on forums such as BE, this would appear to be the case. However, some weight has to be given to the official figures which would indicate that immigrants are choosing their location based on immediate monetary benefits ie larger salary, less tax etc. So to hell with the crime rates and associated misery, it would appear that the dollar is king. That's an interesting piece. It's easy to see how the foreign population of places like Charlottetown and Halifax went up by such large percentages, that's just a second Chinese restaurant opening, but the numbers for Montreal and Toronto are perplexing; Montreal's always had a diverse population and in that period the foreign born population of Toronto grew to over 50%. I don't see a conflict between moving for the things you list as intangible benefits and moving for money; they're all things you can buy. |
Re: Crime rates
Originally Posted by Jules Europe
(Post 6766927)
The real concern for Brits is not so much just the actual crime levels, but more to do with the madness that is actually behind them, as more and more perpretators of these crimes are just kids.
There's plenty more like this and we all know it. I have no doubt there are plenty of examples of this sort of thing in big cities and not so big cities the world over. But I'm pretty sure that Moncton isn't the only place in Canada where this sort of stuff is far from routine; The rare acts of vandalism here are front page news. Of course there are small peaceful villages in the UK to compare. But Moncton, small city though it is, is actually one and a half times the size of Bath. It's not without it's problems, but Bristol is about 4 times the size with problems far in excess of that ratio. Moncton just isn't big enough for me to live in an area isolated from trouble spots. I see cars parked with windows open, items visible on the seats, sometimes even keys in the ignition. People leave bikes unlocked and if they do lock them, their helmet is dangling from the handlebars. People have chairs in front their front doors throughout summer. They'd be stolen or vandalised back in Bristol. The low income/low rent area here looks scruffy...toys and bikes strewn over yards and driveways. But they don't seem to be a target for thieves. Back where I lived, I parked my bike outside the local newsagent, he had my paper ready, having seen me through the window, I took my change and the bike had gone. It must have been there for all of 15 seconds. I'm going to stop now, as I'm sounding like my parents would sound. But all these unpleasant things are a fact of life in many parts of the UK big and small. They don't seem to be so common in many parts of Canada. It's not just quaint little communities that are law abiding, relatively peaceful havens. :angel_smile: |
Re: Crime rates
Originally Posted by BristolUK
(Post 6767215)
People have chairs in front their front doors throughout summer. They'd be stolen or vandalised back in Bristol.
"I'm beside myself with glee. I must tell you what I've done." <pause for breath> "I have, well had, this white rattan chair, an unusual shape. I was walking along and I see a table and three chairs on a porch, the exact same. Well, I snuck mine in late at night. Now they've four." <flaps and giggles> See, they have negative crime in Guelph. |
Re: Crime rates
Here in Winnipeg (Crime Capital of Canada) all the supermarkets have piles of bags full of soil/compost/growing medium etc OUTSIDE the store in the parking lot.
No security, no cameras, even when they are closed. They are not stolen. If you did that in the UK, they would not last the night. |
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