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bats Jun 2nd 2015 11:21 am

couple being deported
 
http://www.chextv.com/2015/06/02/lakefield-area-family-faces-deportation/
Am I missing something here? They must have come to Canada on a temporary visa of some dort and then set up three businesses and are now complaining that they haven't got PR.
Can you set up businesses on TWPs?

Aviator Jun 2nd 2015 11:33 am

re: couple being deported
 
They got turned down twice for PR. cannot figure out how people who break the rules, don't follow them or don't find out what to do, whine when they get caught. Why should they get away with it, when others go though the hoops to follow the correct procedures.

macadian Jun 2nd 2015 11:45 am

re: couple being deported
 

Originally Posted by Aviator (Post 11664031)
They got turned down twice for PR. cannot figure out how people who break the rules, don't follow them or don't find out what to do, whine when they get caught. Why should they get away with it, when others go though the hoops to follow the correct procedures.

Sounds like the right decision... More power to immigration authorities!

R I C H Jun 2nd 2015 5:21 pm

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Originally Posted by bats (Post 11664017)
Can you set up businesses on TWPs?

Yes you can. We did and were provided 3yr TWPs.

It provided no route to gain PR though - that took a separate application.

MarylandNed Jun 2nd 2015 11:06 pm

Re: couple being deported
 
The report is short on details. So they came over on TWP's and were supposed to work for an employer (other than themselves), didn't, and then set up 3 businesses while employing others? So, rather than being "tangled in red tape" (as the report put it), they actually broke the rules and are now paying the price? It will be interesting to see what happens. Letting them get away with it could be a dangerous precedent that allows others to try the same thing.

BristolUK Jun 2nd 2015 11:16 pm

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Originally Posted by MarylandNed (Post 11664515)
It will be interesting to see what happens. Letting them get away with it could be a dangerous precedent that allows others to try the same thing.

I didn't watch all of the video, just enough to hear they've been in Canada almost 8 years.

I'm not convinced that someone going to all that effort over that time will encourage others to try their luck and hope that after 8 years - plus the extra 18 months on top they might persuade the authorities to let them stay permanently.

MarylandNed Jun 2nd 2015 11:51 pm

Re: couple being deported
 

Originally Posted by BristolUK (Post 11664537)
I didn't watch all of the video, just enough to hear they've been in Canada almost 8 years.

I'm not convinced that someone going to all that effort over that time will encourage others to try their luck and hope that after 8 years - plus the extra 18 months on top they might persuade the authorities to let them stay permanently.

If it works for these people (i.e. they end up getting PR), then others will be encouraged to try and they will have a precedent that they can reference should they also get into deportation proceedings. I think that's why they'll have to be turned down.

BristolUK Jun 3rd 2015 12:46 am

Re: couple being deported
 

Originally Posted by MarylandNed (Post 11664573)
If it works for these people (i.e. they end up getting PR), then others will be encouraged to try and they will have a precedent that they can reference should they also get into deportation proceedings. I think that's why they'll have to be turned down.

For a shorter period, maybe. What about the precedents of others refused and/or deported?

Deluded (or at least wildly optimistic), rather than encouraged, would be someone who goes through whatever processes are needed to obtain work permits, uproots the family, moves across the world with the associated upheavals, does whatever is involved in starting up and operating business, lays down new roots etc alll in the hope that after nearly 10 years they might, might, be allowed to stay because one family was, while others were not.

MarylandNed Jun 3rd 2015 1:18 am

Re: couple being deported
 

Originally Posted by BristolUK (Post 11664631)
For a shorter period, maybe. What about the precedents of others refused and/or deported?

Deluded (or at least wildly optimistic), rather than encouraged, would be someone who goes through whatever processes are needed to obtain work permits, uproots the family, moves across the world with the associated upheavals, does whatever is involved in starting up and operating business, lays down new roots etc alll in the hope that after nearly 10 years they might, might, be allowed to stay because one family was, while others were not.

Just getting the time in Canada might be enough reward for some people. Some people are more desperate than others. Not all will have family but for those that do, that could be enough time to complete their kids' education. As I said, if they see an exception made for a high profile case, someone is going to try. You can argue about the numbers who will try, but someone will be encouraged.

I think what will happen in this case is that they'll come into compliance by having one or more of them get a job with an employer, go through the PR application again, get approved, and then those with the bone fide jobs leave to go back to the family businesses.

AlliF Jun 3rd 2015 2:53 am

Re: couple being deported
 

Originally Posted by Aviator (Post 11664031)
They got turned down twice for PR. cannot figure out how people who break the rules, don't follow them or don't find out what to do, whine when they get caught. Why should they get away with it, when others go though the hoops to follow the correct procedures.

He even says on the video that he knows working for themselves is an automatic fail - why on earth then did they bother applying the 2nd time without rectifying this glaring error in judgement :blink:

No way they should get away with it just because they've got the media glossing over the facts.

withabix Jun 3rd 2015 5:11 am

Re: couple being deported
 
How on earth have they managed to stay for so long as TFWs when they have been self employed? :huh:

Their world hasn't 'ended', because they could of course run their businesses from the UK, could they not? (Do they need a majority Canadian shareholder?)

Or sell them.

rivingtonpike Jun 3rd 2015 6:30 am

Re: couple being deported
 
Just watched the video news report. Why did they think the rules should not apply to them? Does the arguement the guy used that they employ Canadians negate all the other immigration rules? On that basis anyone, who employs Canadians, regardless of where they're from or their background should be allowed pr status.

Oink Jun 3rd 2015 7:01 am

Re: couple being deported
 
You'd of thought if they owned three businesses he could have afforded to go to the dentist.

Aviator Jun 3rd 2015 8:01 am

Re: couple being deported
 

Originally Posted by rivingtonpike (Post 11665025)
Just watched the video news report. Why did they think the rules should not apply to them? Does the arguement the guy used that they employ Canadians negate all the other immigration rules? On that basis anyone, who employs Canadians, regardless of where they're from or their background should be allowed pr status.

And if they have to leave those Canadians will get employed by someone else.

Juggernaut1064 Jun 3rd 2015 8:32 am

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This comes across as "i'm english & the rules don't apply to me"
If you have been refused twice then it's time to pack up and head off back to blighty, If it was as simple as employing Canadians to get around residency then everyone would be doing it or trying to, Immigration rules are there for a reason, you blew it now get ready to leave.


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