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http://www.chextv.com/2015/06/02/lakefield-area-family-faces-deportation/
Am I missing something here? They must have come to Canada on a temporary visa of some dort and then set up three businesses and are now complaining that they haven't got PR.
Can you set up businesses on TWPs?

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They got turned down twice for PR. cannot figure out how people who break the rules, don't follow them or don't find out what to do, whine when they get caught. Why should they get away with it, when others go though the hoops to follow the correct procedures.

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Sounds like the right decision... More power to immigration authorities!

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Yes you can. We did and were provided 3yr TWPs.

It provided no route to gain PR though - that took a separate application.

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The report is short on details. So they came over on TWP's and were supposed to work for an employer (other than themselves), didn't, and then set up 3 businesses while employing others? So, rather than being "tangled in red tape" (as the report put it), they actually broke the rules and are now paying the price? It will be interesting to see what happens. Letting them get away with it could be a dangerous precedent that allows others to try the same thing.

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I didn't watch all of the video, just enough to hear they've been in Canada almost 8 years.

I'm not convinced that someone going to all that effort over that time will encourage others to try their luck and hope that after 8 years - plus the extra 18 months on top they might persuade the authorities to let them stay permanently.

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If it works for these people (i.e. they end up getting PR), then others will be encouraged to try and they will have a precedent that they can reference should they also get into deportation proceedings. I think that's why they'll have to be turned down.

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For a shorter period, maybe. What about the precedents of others refused and/or deported?

Deluded (or at least wildly optimistic), rather than encouraged, would be someone who goes through whatever processes are needed to obtain work permits, uproots the family, moves across the world with the associated upheavals, does whatever is involved in starting up and operating business, lays down new roots etc alll in the hope that after nearly 10 years they might, might, be allowed to stay because one family was, while others were not.

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Just getting the time in Canada might be enough reward for some people. Some people are more desperate than others. Not all will have family but for those that do, that could be enough time to complete their kids' education. As I said, if they see an exception made for a high profile case, someone is going to try. You can argue about the numbers who will try, but someone will be encouraged.

I think what will happen in this case is that they'll come into compliance by having one or more of them get a job with an employer, go through the PR application again, get approved, and then those with the bone fide jobs leave to go back to the family businesses.

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He even says on the video that he knows working for themselves is an automatic fail - why on earth then did they bother applying the 2nd time without rectifying this glaring error in judgement :blink:

No way they should get away with it just because they've got the media glossing over the facts.

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How on earth have they managed to stay for so long as TFWs when they have been self employed? :huh:

Their world hasn't 'ended', because they could of course run their businesses from the UK, could they not? (Do they need a majority Canadian shareholder?)

Or sell them.

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Just watched the video news report. Why did they think the rules should not apply to them? Does the arguement the guy used that they employ Canadians negate all the other immigration rules? On that basis anyone, who employs Canadians, regardless of where they're from or their background should be allowed pr status.

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You'd of thought if they owned three businesses he could have afforded to go to the dentist.

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And if they have to leave those Canadians will get employed by someone else.

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This comes across as "i'm english & the rules don't apply to me"
If you have been refused twice then it's time to pack up and head off back to blighty, If it was as simple as employing Canadians to get around residency then everyone would be doing it or trying to, Immigration rules are there for a reason, you blew it now get ready to leave.

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This is an interesting local story here - the three businesses this family own are a really big part of the Lakefield community in which they are based and the local Canadians are up in arms that the family may have to leave and head back to the UK.

Personally I don't find the news article useful at all - it doesn't tell us anything really. We just know they have been refused PR twice. Why though? What is it that is causing them to be refused? If they were never eligible, why were they applying?

For what it's worth, I find it very hard to believe that they will obtain PR through the Humanitarian stream and if they do then it makes a mockery of the whole system.

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+1

If they've set up businesses, would they not have come in on the investor program? Surprisingly little backstory in this article.

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It would be really interesting (to me as an immigration nerd) to know what their journey had been to date - like how have they been here 8 years, what visas have they been on, what routes have they used to apply for PR and why have they been refused twice? Are they doing it themselves, are they using a lawyer/consultant. Be interesting to see how it plays out.

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Yup, it would. Maybe Mr Exton is even on this site? :lol:

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I did think that!

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Not necessarily - I arrived as a visitor and applied for a TWP to set up a business.

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I have a lot walk into my office, here as a visitor, get their CDL and looking for an LMO/LMIA and a job, the other popular one is/was post graduate (open) TWP get their CDL and apply for residency.
I'm not sure if this still happens now due to recent rule changes.
The newest area for this is eastern block countries.

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Bollox to them

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Well this is self-employed: Entrepreneurs and investors: Self-employed people - which he clearly doesn't qualify for.

And the IIP was scrapped awhile ago now so that's no option either (except in Québec).

Not only that but Ontario requires 25% of directors of a corporation to be "resident Canadians": Resident Canadian Requirements for Directors of Ontario Companies

So by definition, even on TWP, he would be self-employed (because it can't be a corporation unless he's got a resident Canadian involved).

I'm just curious to know how they got this far into this mess to begin with, these rules aren't exactly new. At some point they must have been here legally.

And I couldn't help noticing they got a good-looking woman to saunter into camera view who doesn't look she's a regular consumer of ice cream...

My BS alarm is going off quite loudly.

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Unfortunately due to privacy laws CIC won't comment on what their version is and how they were denied twice and on what grounds the deportation is following.
They have been given a 2 year stay in order to seek PR status so they have not been issued a deportation order. Wow what a way to sensationalize a story as a lot can happen in 2 years.
So the thread title should read UK couple could be deported in approx 2 years.

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This used to annoy me back in my DSS/DWP days.

I always felt that if someone "went to the papers" it could be considered that they have waived their right to privacy. At least on the same aspect, so that any erroneous or incomplete information could be corrected.

But rather than hide behind "we cannot comment on individual cases" I do think there are times when whichever agency is involved can "speak generally" to the point without breaking confidentiality.

For example: Single mum of three complains "they expect me to live on £35.70 a week" runs the story.
Rather than the spokesperson not commenting (why call them that if they don't speak? :lol:) on the individual case they could make a general reference to the minimum benefit level for a lone parent of 3 and say that where less than that amount was paid there was other income making up the difference.

I'm sure CIC could do something similar.

Of course, the journalists could also do their own research of the publicly available information and come to their own conclusion where what they're being told is clearly not right or not the full story. Maybe if they did that a bit more then readers would be less cynical when there does seem to be a genuine miscarriage.

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But wasn't that under a different scheme than the regular two shame ?

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It was just a regular 3yr TWP with permission to own and operate a specific business as a self employed individual. My wife was given an open (non employer specific) work permit on the back of my application.

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Hi R I C H

So on your original twp did it state the details of this on your twp ?

Gay

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Absolutely. The name of the business and my role (owner/operator) was on the TWP. It excluded me from any business related activity not under this guise. It didn't specify/restrict the scope of the business - ie how it could/might develop over time. In fact, after a year or so I contracted myself through the business to perform some work as a freelancer on behalf of another company.