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Confirmation of Permanent Residence document vs Landed Immigrant Status papers
As per the title. Anybody have an an opinion on whether these two documents are the same or different docs? I put in my application for my real estate license with a copy of my COPR and they came back to me asking for a copy of my PR card. My PR card is expired and I hadn’t renewed it (now on it’s way to NS). Theyre telling me that my COPR is not “landed immigrant status papers”. I don’t think they know what they’re talking about but thought I’d ask for your advise. When I asked what landed immigrant status papers were she told me she didn’t work for immigration so didn’t know. My response was that if she didn’t know how would she know it wasn’t COPR!!!! Conveniently the supervisor had had to step out of the office (yeah right!!). |
Re: Confirmation of Permanent Residence document vs Landed Immigrant Status papers
Originally Posted by DandNHill
(Post 12497873)
As per the title. Anybody have an an opinion on whether these two documents are the same or different docs? I put in my application for my real estate license with a copy of my COPR and they came back to me asking for a copy of my PR card. My PR card is expired and I hadn’t renewed it (now on it’s way to NS). Theyre telling me that my COPR is not “landed immigrant status papers”. I don’t think they know what they’re talking about but thought I’d ask for your advise. When I asked what landed immigrant status papers were she told me she didn’t work for immigration so didn’t know. My response was that if she didn’t know how would she know it wasn’t COPR!!!! Conveniently the supervisor had had to step out of the office (yeah right!!). |
Re: Confirmation of Permanent Residence document vs Landed Immigrant Status papers
That was the old document which was the IMM 1000 Record Of Landing which was issued prior to 2002. The new document IMM 5688 is the new Confirmation Of Permanent Residency form issued to all new PR's.
https://www.canada.ca/en/immigration...er-6-2016.html Print this link off if they need more proof. |
Re: Confirmation of Permanent Residence document vs Landed Immigrant Status papers
Originally Posted by Former Lancastrian
(Post 12497912)
That was the old document which was the IMM 1000 Record Of Landing which was issued prior to 2002. The new document IMM 5688 is the new Confirmation Of Permanent Residency form issued to all new PR's.
https://www.canada.ca/en/immigration...er-6-2016.html Print this link off if they need more proof. |
Re: Confirmation of Permanent Residence document vs Landed Immigrant Status papers
Originally Posted by DandNHill
(Post 12497873)
As per the title. Anybody have an an opinion on whether these two documents are the same or different docs? I put in my application for my real estate license with a copy of my COPR and they came back to me asking for a copy of my PR card. My PR card is expired and I hadn’t renewed it (now on it’s way to NS). Theyre telling me that my COPR is not “landed immigrant status papers”. I don’t think they know what they’re talking about but thought I’d ask for your advise. When I asked what landed immigrant status papers were she told me she didn’t work for immigration so didn’t know. My response was that if she didn’t know how would she know it wasn’t COPR!!!! Conveniently the supervisor had had to step out of the office (yeah right!!). You might want to also let them know that there is no legal requirement to hold a PR card in Canada (unless you intend to fly out of the country and back). I had the same issue with renewing my OHIP card - they didn't want to accept my expired PR card nor my expired passport - but they would accept a current Visa card as proof of identity! COPR is, as FL already stated, your Confirmation of Permanent Residence status and as such you must retain it if you wish to claim a pension or apply for citizenship etc., so don't give them the original, only a copy!! :) |
Re: Confirmation of Permanent Residence document vs Landed Immigrant Status papers
Originally Posted by Siouxie
(Post 12497966)
You might want to also let them know that there is no legal requirement to hold a PR card in Canada (unless you intend to fly out of the country and back). I had the same issue with renewing my OHIP card - they didn't want to accept my expired PR card nor my expired passport - but they would accept a current Visa card as proof of identity!
COPR is, as FL already stated, your Confirmation of Permanent Residence status and as such you must retain it if you wish to claim a pension or apply for citizenship etc., so don't give them the original, only a copy!! :) |
Re: Confirmation of Permanent Residence document vs Landed Immigrant Status papers
So it has taken a week fo me to be told they won’t accept my COPR that it’s not a valid document. Theres no no fight left in me!!! Thry said, because they think they’re nice, that once I get confirmation of receipt of my application and that it’s in process that they will give me my license. We all know that CIC acknowledging anything like that is almost impossible. Anybody had any recent experience receiving acknowledgements from them? Im beyond angry. But there’s no point fighting them. They’re just shitty employees who don’t know what a COPR is. |
Re: Confirmation of Permanent Residence document vs Landed Immigrant Status papers
Originally Posted by DandNHill
(Post 12501266)
So it has taken a week fo me to be told they won’t accept my COPR that it’s not a valid document. Theres no no fight left in me!!! Thry said, because they think they’re nice, that once I get confirmation of receipt of my application and that it’s in process that they will give me my license. We all know that CIC acknowledging anything like that is almost impossible. Anybody had any recent experience receiving acknowledgements from them? Im beyond angry. But there’s no point fighting them. They’re just shitty employees who don’t know what a COPR is. Oh I so hate jobsworths. Perhaps printing off something that shows - without doubt - that a COPR is proof of your legal status in Canada? https://settlement.org/ontario/immig...copr-document/ Social Benefits When you apply for Old Age Security Pension (OAS) you can use certified copies of your CoPR document or Record of Landing as "Proof of Canadian Legal Status". What does the immigration category on my Confirmation of Permanent Residence document mean? What does the immigration category on my Confirmation of Permanent Residence document mean? When we approve an immigrant for permanent residence in Canada, we will give them a Confirmation of Permanent Residence (COPR) document. An immigration officer at the port of entry or an IRCC office signs and dates this document when permanent residence is finally granted. Permanent residents use this document to show to provincial and territorial organizations to access services. There is an immigration category printed on this document. Or you could apply for a verification of status, perhaps? https://www.canada.ca/en/immigration...-document.html Under that last one is this - for urgent applications: "You face immediate loss of employment or loss of an employment opportunity because you are not in possession of proof of your immigration information. Include an original letter from the employer." |
Re: Confirmation of Permanent Residence document vs Landed Immigrant Status papers
Originally Posted by DandNHill
(Post 12501266)
So it has taken a week fo me to be told they won’t accept my COPR that it’s not a valid document. Theres no no fight left in me!!! Thry said, because they think they’re nice, that once I get confirmation of receipt of my application and that it’s in process that they will give me my license. We all know that CIC acknowledging anything like that is almost impossible. Anybody had any recent experience receiving acknowledgements from them? Im beyond angry. But there’s no point fighting them. They’re just shitty employees who don’t know what a COPR is. I had an issue about 5 years ago when I tried to go to school, I was trying to get gov't funding that was available to upgrade my skills, and my card was expired as I had not yet received the new one, they refused to accept anything other then the PR card. In the end no amount of trying got them to accept my COPR they just refused and I didn't go to school. I hope you can get your license soon and can get this resolved. My wife wanted to get her license in BC, she has a great interest in real estate, she used to work in an office and I think that got her interested. |
Re: Confirmation of Permanent Residence document vs Landed Immigrant Status papers
Originally Posted by Siouxie
(Post 12501314)
Oh I so hate jobsworths.
Perhaps printing off something that shows - without doubt - that a COPR is proof of your legal status in Canada? https://settlement.org/ontario/immig...copr-document/ Social Benefits When you apply for Old Age Security Pension (OAS) you can use certified copies of your CoPR document or Record of Landing as "Proof of Canadian Legal Status". What does the immigration category on my Confirmation of Permanent Residence document mean? What does the immigration category on my Confirmation of Permanent Residence document mean? When we approve an immigrant for permanent residence in Canada, we will give them a Confirmation of Permanent Residence (COPR) document. An immigration officer at the port of entry or an IRCC office signs and dates this document when permanent residence is finally granted. Permanent residents use this document to show to provincial and territorial organizations to access services. There is an immigration category printed on this document. Or you could apply for a verification of status, perhaps? https://www.canada.ca/en/immigration...-document.html Under that last one is this - for urgent applications: "You face immediate loss of employment or loss of an employment opportunity because you are not in possession of proof of your immigration information. Include an original letter from the employer." Im writing a complaint to the manager but I don’t think it will make any difference, although I will include some of the info you gave me so thank you. So looks like I will be having a different kind of summer to the one I expected! Thanks for your support. |
Re: Confirmation of Permanent Residence document vs Landed Immigrant Status papers
Originally Posted by Jsmth321
(Post 12501455)
I had an issue about 5 years ago when I tried to go to school, I was trying to get gov't funding that was available to upgrade my skills, and my card was expired as I had not yet received the new one, they refused to accept anything other then the PR card.
In the end no amount of trying got them to accept my COPR they just refused and I didn't go to school. I hope you can get your license soon and can get this resolved. My wife wanted to get her license in BC, she has a great interest in real estate, she used to work in an office and I think that got her interested. Im really excited about getting in to real estate although the pessimist in me wonders if it will ever happen. The broker of record however is being super supportive. I’m glad I’m going with them...eventually. |
Re: Confirmation of Permanent Residence document vs Landed Immigrant Status papers
Originally Posted by DandNHill
(Post 12501705)
I'm really excited about getting in to real estate...
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Re: Confirmation of Permanent Residence document vs Landed Immigrant Status papers
Originally Posted by Former Lancastrian
(Post 12497912)
That was the old document which was the IMM 1000 Record Of Landing which was issued prior to 2002. The new document IMM 5688 is the new Confirmation Of Permanent Residency form issued to all new PR's.
I have to say I find the whole immigration system a bit ridiculous because it always comes back to this bit of paper at the end of the day. They have all these super duper hard to forge things like the PR card and your passport, visa, etc. but this piece of carbon copy paper is what they always ask for in the end when there's any sort of question about your status. The one and only time I ever actually dealt directly with a CIC employee face-to-face was at the POE and she printed off my COPR and waved it in my face: "Whatever you do, don't lose this piece of paper!" Without that warning I suspect most people give it the same sort of respect that you would for a shop receipt. |
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Oh can I relate to this post. When I moved to BC from Ontario and went to get my license and health care changed to BC. My PR card was expired and they did not accept my Ont license or my U.S. passport as primary ID...nor would they accept my Proof of Status. Had to do with renewing temporary non photo licenses for 6 months waiting for new PR card. I do agree that in your case they should accept a proof of status. But...I also understand that a document issued...say 10 years ago...does not prove you have fulfilled the residency requirements to maintain your status nor does it prove your status has not been revoked. Kind of a catch 22.
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Re: Confirmation of Permanent Residence document vs Landed Immigrant Status papers
Yup. I’m stuck in limbo until I get my new PR card. Only about another 95 days... As per above I MIGHT be lucky and receive confirmation they are processing it, but I doubt it. |
Re: Confirmation of Permanent Residence document vs Landed Immigrant Status papers
Originally Posted by dakota44
(Post 12504342)
...I also understand that a document issued...say 10 years ago...does not prove you have fulfilled the residency requirements to maintain your status nor does it prove your status has not been revoked.
Former Lancastrian should add "wanting to be a Realtor if experiencing stroppy officious types" as a reason for getting Citizenship. :lol: |
Re: Confirmation of Permanent Residence document vs Landed Immigrant Status papers
Originally Posted by BristolUK
(Post 12504566)
Can the same not be said of a still in date PR Card issued almost 5 years ago? And they'd accept that. :unsure:
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Re: Confirmation of Permanent Residence document vs Landed Immigrant Status papers
Originally Posted by DandNHill
(Post 12504568)
I agree and that’s what I said to them. Apparently I was arguing! |
Re: Confirmation of Permanent Residence document vs Landed Immigrant Status papers
Im curious as to if this a Provincial Government Agency that you apply through or is this strictly a private sector entity?
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Re: Confirmation of Permanent Residence document vs Landed Immigrant Status papers
Originally Posted by Former Lancastrian
(Post 12504776)
Im curious as to if this a Provincial Government Agency that you apply through or is this strictly a private sector entity?
I did think today that my SIN card proves I have permanent status as the number doesn’t start with a 9. But that would be too complicated for them! |
Re: Confirmation of Permanent Residence document vs Landed Immigrant Status papers
Originally Posted by DandNHill
(Post 12504862)
Ive just googled it. It’s a not for profit regulatory body. So not officially local government but adhering strictly to provincial guidelines. I did think today that my SIN card proves I have permanent status as the number doesn’t start with a 9. But that would be too complicated for them! |
Re: Confirmation of Permanent Residence document vs Landed Immigrant Status papers
Originally Posted by dakota44
(Post 12504874)
bureaucrats are a pain
See joined up thinking thread |
Re: Confirmation of Permanent Residence document vs Landed Immigrant Status papers
Originally Posted by DandNHill
(Post 12504544)
Yup. I’m stuck in limbo until I get my new PR card. Only about another 95 days... As per above I MIGHT be lucky and receive confirmation they are processing it, but I doubt it. |
Re: Confirmation of Permanent Residence document vs Landed Immigrant Status papers
Originally Posted by Steve_
(Post 12505234)
In 30 days it will say 125 days. You have to apply for expedited processing if you want it reasonably soon.
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Re: Confirmation of Permanent Residence document vs Landed Immigrant Status papers
Not a particularly difficult pretext to establish.
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Re: Confirmation of Permanent Residence document vs Landed Immigrant Status papers
Originally Posted by Steve_
(Post 12505272)
Not a particularly difficult pretext to establish.
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Re: Confirmation of Permanent Residence document vs Landed Immigrant Status papers
Originally Posted by dakota44
(Post 12505250)
Expidited processing is not applicable for anything other than emergency travel...anything else..you wait.
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Re: Confirmation of Permanent Residence document vs Landed Immigrant Status papers
Originally Posted by DandNHill
(Post 12505285)
Yes and you have to PROVE you’re traveling too. |
Re: Confirmation of Permanent Residence document vs Landed Immigrant Status papers
Originally Posted by dakota44
(Post 12505297)
And that it is emergency travel.
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Re: Confirmation of Permanent Residence document vs Landed Immigrant Status papers
Originally Posted by BristolUK
(Post 12505275)
You're surely not suggesting a dishonest approach that makes the genuine wait longer? :rolleyes:
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Re: Confirmation of Permanent Residence document vs Landed Immigrant Status papers
Originally Posted by Steve_
(Post 12509358)
I'm just suggesting that Buffalo is a lovely place to visit.
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Re: Confirmation of Permanent Residence document vs Landed Immigrant Status papers
Oh I am crossing my fingers for you! That carbon copy (in my case IMM5292) that looks like a piece of scrap paper is like admin gold. When I landed the agent told me that if my house was burning down to save that bit of paper before everything else!
Last year I had a problem with my application for child benefit and they demanded a copy...they weren't a bit interested in my Citizenship certificate...just the scrubby looking COPR. Reading this thread made me get all hyperventilated and I've just been upstairs to check that it's still where I left it :blink: it was. Very best of luck :thumbup: |
Re: Confirmation of Permanent Residence document vs Landed Immigrant Status papers
Originally Posted by MillieF
(Post 12509576)
Oh I am crossing my fingers for you! That carbon copy (in my case IMM5292) that looks like a piece of scrap paper is like admin gold. When I landed the agent told me that if my house was burning down to save that bit of paper before everything else!
Last year I had a problem with my application for child benefit and they demanded a copy...they weren't a bit interested in my Citizenship certificate...just the scrubby looking COPR. Reading this thread made me get all hyperventilated and I've just been upstairs to check that it's still where I left it :blink: it was. Very best of luck :thumbup: |
Re: Confirmation of Permanent Residence document vs Landed Immigrant Status papers
Originally Posted by MillieF
(Post 12509576)
Oh I am crossing my fingers for you! That carbon copy (in my case IMM5292) that looks like a piece of scrap paper is like admin gold. When I landed the agent told me that if my house was burning down to save that bit of paper before everything else!
Last year I had a problem with my application for child benefit and they demanded a copy...they weren't a bit interested in my Citizenship certificate...just the scrubby looking COPR. Reading this thread made me get all hyperventilated and I've just been upstairs to check that it's still where I left it :blink: it was. Very best of luck :thumbup:
Originally Posted by rivingtonpike
(Post 12509582)
this might sound crazy but we actually 2ent out and bought a fireproof and waterproof safe largely to keep stuff like this secure
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I have a certified copy of my record of landing and last year sent for a verification of status..just because ($30 and a long wait). I have never been asked for either of them for any reason. My valid Provincial drivers license and health card served every purpose. Not sure why the panic about losing COPR. An application for a verification of status does the trick. The only problem I ever had was in BC trying to get my license and health card when I moved here and my PR card was expired. They had no interest in any other document proving I was a PR.
A COPR meant nothing to them because the only primary identification they accepted was a Canadian passport or birth certificate or a PR card. Twits they were. https://www.canada.ca/en/immigration...-document.html |
Re: Confirmation of Permanent Residence document vs Landed Immigrant Status papers
Originally Posted by MillieF
(Post 12509576)
...like a piece of scrap paper is like admin gold. When I landed the agent told me that if my house was burning down to save that bit of paper before everything else!
Last year I had a problem with my application for child benefit and they demanded a copy...they weren't a bit interested in my Citizenship certificate...just the scrubby looking COPR. Reading this thread made me get all hyperventilated and I've just been upstairs to check that it's still where I left it :blink: it was. |
Re: Confirmation of Permanent Residence document vs Landed Immigrant Status papers
Originally Posted by dakota44
(Post 12509629)
I have a certified copy of my record of landing and last year sent for a verification of status..just because ($30 and a long wait). I have never been asked for either of them for any reason. My valid Provincial drivers license and health card served every purpose. Not sure why the panic about losing COPR. An application for a verification of status does the trick. The only problem I ever had was in BC trying to get my license and health card when I moved here and my PR card was expired. They had no interest in any other document proving I was a PR.
A COPR meant nothing to them because the only primary identification they accepted was a Canadian passport or birth certificate or a PR card. Twits they were. https://www.canada.ca/en/immigration...-document.html |
Re: Confirmation of Permanent Residence document vs Landed Immigrant Status papers
Originally Posted by DandNHill
(Post 12509588)
Thats why I’m so frustrated that this governing body won’t accept the damn document. They just don’t understand. So frikin jobs worth!!! At the rate the processing times keeps going up I’ll be lucky if I get it before my deadline to apply for my license!! Then who will take responsibility?Arrhh!!! |
Re: Confirmation of Permanent Residence document vs Landed Immigrant Status papers
Originally Posted by DandNHill
(Post 12509700)
What’s a verification of status? How long does it take? https://www.canada.ca/en/immigration...-document.html |
Re: Confirmation of Permanent Residence document vs Landed Immigrant Status papers
Originally Posted by DandNHill
(Post 12509700)
What’s a verification of status? How long does it take?
Originally Posted by Siouxie
(Post 12501314)
Oh I so hate jobsworths.
Or you could apply for a verification of status, perhaps? https://www.canada.ca/en/immigration...-document.html Under that last one is this - for urgent applications: "You face immediate loss of employment or loss of an employment opportunity because you are not in possession of proof of your immigration information. Include an original letter from the employer." |
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