Canadian property overvalued?
#91
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Re: Canadian property overvalued?
I ran a little comparison of rents vs. mortgages in my area, Mississauga.
Looked on mls.ca for semi-detached 3 bedroom houses north of Streetsville.
Most asking prices are around $500k-$550k. A 25-year mortgage @ 4.5% fixed is then just over $3000/month. Add the property taxes on top - an additional few hundred a month?
Equivalent properties in that area can be rented for $1800-$2000 per month. No property tax payable.
So is property overvalued?
Looked on mls.ca for semi-detached 3 bedroom houses north of Streetsville.
Most asking prices are around $500k-$550k. A 25-year mortgage @ 4.5% fixed is then just over $3000/month. Add the property taxes on top - an additional few hundred a month?
Equivalent properties in that area can be rented for $1800-$2000 per month. No property tax payable.
So is property overvalued?
#92
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Re: Canadian property overvalued?
I ran a little comparison of rents vs. mortgages in my area, Mississauga.
Looked on mls.ca for semi-detached 3 bedroom houses north of Streetsville.
Most asking prices are around $500k-$550k. A 25-year mortgage @ 4.5% fixed is then just over $3000/month. Add the property taxes on top - an additional few hundred a month?
Equivalent properties in that area can be rented for $1800-$2000 per month. No property tax payable.
So is property overvalued?
Looked on mls.ca for semi-detached 3 bedroom houses north of Streetsville.
Most asking prices are around $500k-$550k. A 25-year mortgage @ 4.5% fixed is then just over $3000/month. Add the property taxes on top - an additional few hundred a month?
Equivalent properties in that area can be rented for $1800-$2000 per month. No property tax payable.
So is property overvalued?
#96
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Re: Canadian property overvalued?
Buying repo's to let in canada. A whole batch will be along very soon.......far too much doom and gloom for one night, it must be the rain that has not stopped falling for the past 36 hours.
Last edited by fletcher m; Apr 26th 2012 at 6:46 am.
#98
Re: Canadian property overvalued?
You'd be a muppet not to ask for a raise to cover your home heating/electricity/phone bill.
I've had this discussion here in Calgary, because I cannot for the life of me understand the point to the Bow Tower.
There's this municipal plan to increase building density around the LRT stations which to my mind is mad because it assumes everyone will continue to commute downtown. I don't think they will. I think the future is bigger houses with home offices in them.
All of these people talking about the death of the suburbs and McMansions are wrong, at least in the long-term.
And still I cannot get a straight answer out of the CRA about whether if you claim home office expenses (for example, part of your mortgage based on percentage of the area) whether that portion of your home then becomes subject to capital gains tax.
I've had this discussion here in Calgary, because I cannot for the life of me understand the point to the Bow Tower.
There's this municipal plan to increase building density around the LRT stations which to my mind is mad because it assumes everyone will continue to commute downtown. I don't think they will. I think the future is bigger houses with home offices in them.
All of these people talking about the death of the suburbs and McMansions are wrong, at least in the long-term.
And still I cannot get a straight answer out of the CRA about whether if you claim home office expenses (for example, part of your mortgage based on percentage of the area) whether that portion of your home then becomes subject to capital gains tax.
#100
Re: Canadian property overvalued?
Whenever this subject comes up I mention the immigration laws - skilled worker is tougher now, the number of visas for family reunification went down, the IIP is completely oversubscribed. This year you will see a dip in the number of immigrants granted PR status because of the changes in 2008 and then in 2010.
I doubt that will have much impact in Calgary on property prices but I think in Vancouver it will and probably Toronto.
One of the reasons the property market in the SW US is in such bad shape was because it was being driven in part by immigrants, not just stupid loans.
I doubt that will have much impact in Calgary on property prices but I think in Vancouver it will and probably Toronto.
One of the reasons the property market in the SW US is in such bad shape was because it was being driven in part by immigrants, not just stupid loans.
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Re: Canadian property overvalued?
Note that an employee can only claim a part of power and heating and some repairs. A self-employed person can also claim mortgage interest, property tax, and house insurance.
#102
Re: Canadian property overvalued?
(a) the income-producing use is ancillary to the main use of the property as a residence,
I've seen it in the capital gains tax guide.
In these and similar cases, the taxpayer reports the income and may claim the expenses (other than CCA) pertaining to the portion of the property used for income-producing purposes.
So how do you divvy up for example your natural gas bill, because if you weren't there, obviously you would be using less gas, but presumably you're heating the whole house rather than just a portion of it so how much of the gas bill can you claim?
I've had it expressed to me on the basis of a business licence as well, i.e. if you are working from home and the locality you're in doesn't consider that to require a business licence, then you're okay in regards to things like CGT, but the requirements for a business licence vary widely from locality to locality.
It is truly vague.
Have a read of this as well: http://www.cra-arc.gc.ca/E/pub/tp/it514/it514-e.pdf
"Regular and continuous basis" - has to be used exclusively for earning business income - how many home businesses can say that about their office?
And if you're using it exclusively, doesn't that mean it is no longer ancillary?
a work space in respect of a business which normally requires infrequent meetings or frequent meetings at irregular intervals would not meet the
requirement
requirement
And so anyway now you see why the CRA and I are confused...
Last edited by Steve_; Apr 26th 2012 at 11:53 am.
#103
Re: Canadian property overvalued?
Yes of course. As soon as interest rates make the re-payments unaffordable and people start to default.
We're talking about this as if it's never happened before. It's just happened in the US (admittedly not due to interest rates per se, but people defaulted and left their homes).
Yes it will happen. When? Who knows, but it will.
We're talking about this as if it's never happened before. It's just happened in the US (admittedly not due to interest rates per se, but people defaulted and left their homes).
Yes it will happen. When? Who knows, but it will.
And unsecured line of credit is an entirely different borrowing aspect.
Canada is an vast beast.....and so is the housing market...but some of the comments on this thread are just plain wrong....with regard to Canadian banks...my 2%.