Originally Posted by MesserMoony

Doubt it, I live in central London and my University is in East London like he was saying and I have yet to find the situation as bad there as it is in London.

Originally Posted by gingernut

ooooh there is no need to get nasty as I said we are all entitled to our opinion and yes latetly there have been alot of reports of crimes committed by immigrants you can't blame me for that take that up with the british media!

Originally Posted by dbd33

I trust you know that the behaviour to which you object in London is usual here and that, compared to London, relatively few people here speak English. If you don't like people who are different from yourself in England moving to Canada is going to make your situation worse, not better.

Originally Posted by Hudman

and their smelly food.

Originally Posted by dbd33 If you don't like people who are different from yourself in England moving to Canada is going to make your situation worse, not better.[/QUOTE

I am also part of the "different" set of people but ever since I moved to the UK I have made a big effort to adapt to the culture. I dont spit, I dont jump queues, in other words, I respect this country and the people around me. It is not about not liking those who are different, is about expecting at least respect and civility from all around because you treat them the same. Perhaps I have been lucky in that most of the Brits I know and usually come across/interact with are perfectly decent, hardworking people with good manners. Equally I know plenty of foreigners who are the same.

However, I have seen a recent and very big wave of newcomers who perfectly exemplify the horrid types of behaviour I described in my last post. Funnily enough, I have seen locals AND adopted Brits complain about the situation.

[moving to Canada is going to make your situation worse, not better.

Originally Posted by dbd33

I'm not getting nasty. I'm saying that you're wrong. I would, of course, attack your bigotry if we got beyond your errors of fact but we haven't got that far. You've repeatedly claimed that "there have been alot of reports of crimes committed by immigrants" (sic), I'm asking you to produce some.

Originally Posted by lost4words

Just passing through on this forum, I live in the UK, and we DO have troubles...

Facts: Immigration is out of control in the UK. 250,000 enter Britain each year - equal to a town the size of Peterborough about 3/4 of these do not go back. There may be 500,000 illegal immigrants in Britain today. Mass immigration increases company profits but reduces wages, why?, because big fat companies DO NOT want to pay a good wage they want to pay a LOW wage, so who will work and can AFFORD to live on the LOW wage?? Answer: The Immigrant, illegal ones espcially, why?, because they dont pay for council tax, because they are living 10 to a room in a house with many other rooms, they drain the housing, transport, schools and health care. Taxpayers must fork out for schools, health care, housing and transport and each year we pay more and more Tax, stealth tax is a popular choice now from the goverment.

In my opnion what needs to be done is ...end the government's 'open door' policy and admit only those needed because of their skills that ARE NEEDED at the time of entry, but not without looking first into our own unemployed and training them up!. They will be expected to speak English, pass health tests, have no criminal convictions and integrate into the British way of life - end of!!!

ASYLUM

THE FACTS: Britain is a soft touch for asylum-seekers. Over two-thirds of all applications for asylum are refused. Many asylum-seekers come here via people-traffickers, and arrive from another safe country. They cost us £2 billion a year in Legal Aid, detention centres, advisory centres and extra housing and health costs............

Someone said on here we are a small island, yes that is so true, but its not about people wanting just space, what a stupid thing to say, its about quality of life, without the need to wait for over 2 years for an operation, not having to fight to get your child into a school thats near to you!, not having to fight to get housing, not having to pay tax upon tax just to pay for all the over crowding and pressure put onto our public services etc etc


Enough said I think

Originally Posted by gingernut

excuse me but I am by no means a bigot not by a long shot.

Originally Posted by Piff Poff

I seem to remember something in the paper about 18 months ago about a lawyer trying to get the Koran incorporated into English law, so people under that religion could be tried by the rules of the Koran instead of UK law....................

Originally Posted by Piff Poff

Yup! Even the government admits to needing to reform immigration rules - they wouldn't do that if there wasn't a problem. If the illegal immigrant can't get a job in UK (or whatever country they decide is desirable) then they will resort to crime to get money/food/clothes etc and so on and then you get the troubles that we have mentioned. I personally think the England has changed dramatically in the last 5 years and not for the best. I seem to remember something in the paper about 18 months ago about a lawyer trying to get the Koran incorporated into English law, so people under that religion could be tried by the rules of the Koran instead of UK law....................But I am digressing - If a person is in any country illegally, and they have been told they are not allowed to stay and are told to leave by a certain date and then they don't leave, they are breaking the law and should be deported. I go back to the program I mentioned bfore 'Undefended Borders' in one show they deported a late teen - he came to Canada with his parents from Scotland when he was a toddler he had PR. He repeatedly broke the law and was deported and now has to reapply to come back to Canada to be with his family. Any how I shall join you in a

Originally Posted by 1066

I understand what you are saying, and a lot of it is undoubtedly true.

The other side of the illegal immigrant scene is the creation of ghettos.

As a major generalisation, Indians employ Indians, Portugese employ Portugese, etc. Many of these people cannot legally own transport, so they tend to live close to work, which creates localised ethnic neighbourhoods.

As more businesses open, more illegals work there, and the localised neighbourhoods become ghettos. It's not rocket science...it happens. Downtown areas all over the world suffer from this.

It will probably never stop, and as you say, if it did stop, a lot of people would be in a lot of trouble, work-wise.

It doesn't make it any less annoying having to wait 2 to 5 years to get in legally, though.

Originally Posted by Griff

How does this compere to Canada?

Originally Posted by dbd33

I'm not getting nasty. I'm saying that you're wrong. I would, of course, attack your bigotry if we got beyond your errors of fact but we haven't got that far. You've repeatedly claimed that "there have been alot of reports of crimes committed by immigrants" (sic), I'm asking you to produce some.

Originally Posted by Cape Blue

Many of the more insular British have failed to understand that a lot of the "illegal" immigrants they do see in the streets are actually legal - i.e. they are second (plus) generation people from commonwealth-country decent who are actually British ....