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Re: Canada to collect exit passport data

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Originally Posted by Gozit (Post 11977301)

I don't see it as a problem, I just want to know what it means.

Does it mean dual citizen Canadians will have to present their Canadian passport to the airline when they check in for an international flight so the information the airline passes on to the CBSA doesn't indicate a European that entered without a visa/eTA? Is it like the US where airline check in is treated as exit control, therefore US citizens have to present their US passport to "exit" at check in?

Because if either of those cases are correct then I and many others on BE who are dual citizens will have to change which passport we show when checking into our flights "back home" with our "other" passport.

only a dumb - born in Canada, Canadian would ask the above IMO.

Simple & easy eh!.... Born in Canada or as a naturalized Canadian resident with a Canadian passport as their primary identity travel document, uses their Canadian passport on leaving Canada, then on returning, uses the same Canadian passport. What's the big issue here, even if a person has several different nationalities (more than two) together with current valid passports of those countries.

Next question is going to be 'should a Canadian citizen have a foreign bank account', even a foreign drivers licence...

Re: Canada to collect exit passport data

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Originally Posted by scotdownunder (Post 11977871)

Are you talking about keeping 2 citizenship or just having 2 current passports?

You say you have given up your English passport - have you actually renounced your citizenship?
If not then I feel the absence of a passport doesn't show any more commitment than someone with two as you can very easily get another one whenever you feel like it.

If you have renounced your citizenship then yes, that shows your commitment to Canada however we have both British and Australian passports, and are now living in Canada and that is nothing to do with lacking commitment to any country.
We built our dream house and had a child in Australia and got our citizenship fully intending to stay.
Circumstances changed about 12 months later - both times we have moved it is been at the behest of hubby's company because there has been a need for workers with his skill set in a different country and no need in the country we are in. (To clarify he hasn't needed an LMO/LMIA (or equivalent in Australia) to get a work permit because the govt. of each country has acknowledged this fact.)

I truly hope we can stay here in Canada and even hopefully get citizenship - but if circumstances change again and he cannot work here and there is need for him elsewhere then off we will go.
In that circumstance would you think it was better we stay and took advantage of the EI system because we were 'committed' to Canada?

We keep the citizenship & passports because it may turn out that we may have to return to that country and I think it would be ridiculous to give them up only to be told you were needed back there and have to go through the costly rigmarole of getting a new visa for that country.

No, I / we did not "renounce" our citizenship. In fact, I'm not sure that one can ........ I know that the few times we entered the UK between 1974 and the 1990s, we were asked by Immigration why we had not gone through the British Citizens line as it would be faster.

Our response was always, "but we don't consider ourselves British citizens". Ever seen a non-plussed Immigration official??:lol:

In other words .............. the fact that our passports showed born somewhere in Britain meant THEY wouldn't let go of us.

I would not consider getting, or even applying for, a British passport.

What you do is up to you ............ obviously you're keeping your options open to do as your husband's job and company demand.

The fact remains that we would NOT have returned to the UK ...... that would have meant my husband applying for another job, and I'm sorry but British universities did not fit the mix.

We might at one stage have moved on to Australia or NZ, but I'm pretty sure that if we had done that, then we would have committed to that country, and would probably have still been down there now.

Re: Canada to collect exit passport data

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Originally Posted by scilly (Post 11977996)

No, I / we did not "renounce" our citizenship. In fact, I'm not sure that one can ...In other words .............. the fact that our passports showed born somewhere in Britain meant THEY wouldn't let go of us.

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https://www.gov.uk/renounce-british-...ality/overview
Of course you can renounce you British Citizenship if you feel so committed to another country you want no part of Britain and really want to show it. ;)

I'm pretty sure the fact your passports show being born somewhere in Britain is just a simple fact that cannot be altered - absolutely nothing to do with anyone not being able to let you go. :nod:

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I don't see the link between being committed to living in a country and having two passports, sorry I just don't.

Having said that I don't feel 'committed' to any country and I'm not even sure what that means or how it manifests itself in behaviour and/or attitude ?!?!?

Re: Canada to collect exit passport data

FFS, it's just a travel document after all.

Re: Canada to collect exit passport data

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Originally Posted by bats (Post 11978462)

FFS, it's just a travel document after all.

Exactly

Re: Canada to collect exit passport data

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Originally Posted by Tangram (Post 11978388)

+1 :nod:
I couldn't tell you which country I owe loyalty to because the answer is none of them! If either one was at war and needed conscripts or contributions I would be over to the other country if I could get out.

Anyways, FFS. Thats not what this thread was about. It was about whether or not dual citizen travelers need to change procedure when leaving Canada to a country where using the other citizenship is more favourable. I personally don't give a shit which travel document I have to present where, it just so happens that now, checking in for a flight to EUROPE, the EU passport would make sense, no?? But if Canada was taking exit data based on those passports, it would make more sense to check in on the Canadian one, so the Canadians know you are Canadian, and then show the foreign one if necessary (ex. travelling to Brazil, checking in with a Canadian passport they would ask where your visa is, then you would show your EU one and be on your way with the Canadian one in the system as your "exit" passport from Canada)

I know the UK does something similar to this yet dual UK/Cdn citizens have no problem checking into flights on their Canadian passports. So most probably we have nothing to worry about

Re: Canada to collect exit passport data

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Originally Posted by Gozit (Post 11978739)

+1 :nod:

<snip> It was about whether or not dual citizen travelers need to change procedure when leaving Canada to a country where using the other citizenship is more favourable.

No, they don't.

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I personally don't give a shit which travel document I have to present where, it just so happens that now, checking in for a flight to EUROPE, the EU passport would make sense, no?? But if Canada was taking exit data based on those passports, it would make more sense to check in on the Canadian one, so the Canadians know you are Canadian, and then show the foreign one if necessary (ex. travelling to Brazil, checking in with a Canadian passport they would ask where your visa is, then you would show your EU one and be on your way with the Canadian one in the system as your "exit" passport from Canada)

I know the UK does something similar to this yet dual UK/Cdn citizens have no problem checking into flights on their Canadian passports.So most probably we have nothing to worry about

^^^ see red, bolded text. We don't.

Does that help?

Mountains, molehills, overthinking things come to mind ;).

Canada's border agencies have had access to exit data (& more, if they need it) for a long time. I see this as merely formalising/streamlining procedures which have been available/in use for some years now.

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Its pretty simple when you think about it. If a dual citizen holding 2 x passports one being Canadian and you are travelling to a country that doesn't require a visa and you are living in Canada and booking flights within Canada then use the Canadian passport when leaving Canada. On arrival in the other country then use the other passport at passport control.
When flying back to Canada use your Canadian passport for check in etc and when you land then that way no eTA questions.
How simple is that?

Re: Canada to collect exit passport data

Do you not have exams to worry about Gozit?;)

Re: Canada to collect exit passport data

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Originally Posted by Shirtback (Post 11978775)

No, they don't.

^^^ see red, bolded text. We don't.

Does that help?

Mountains, molehills, overthinking things come to mind ;).

Canada's border agencies have had access to exit data (& more, if they need it) for a long time. I see this as merely formalising/streamlining procedures which have been available/in use for some years now.

Great then, its sorted ;)

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Originally Posted by Former Lancastrian (Post 11978781)

I do it the other way round, I show the airline at checkin the passport i'm going to use at my destination. So going from Canada-->EU the airline sees EU passport. Going from EU back to Canada they see the Canadian. No exit controls in Canada but upon returning to the country obviously use Canadian. Entering/leaving EU passport control obviously EU passport.

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Originally Posted by Stinkypup (Post 11978983)

Do you not have exams to worry about Gozit?;)

I do, thats why I left this thread to dwindle for a day and came back to this :p