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dunk May 15th 2004 12:43 am

Re: IT in Canada
 

Originally posted by veryfunny
I hate to rain on your happy times but IT is dead right now, dead as Disco!
Not true.

veryfunny May 15th 2004 5:37 am

Re: IT in Canada
 

Originally posted by dunk
Not true.
I guess you must have some real special skills in IT then?

daveuk1965 May 15th 2004 6:00 am

IT is dead everywhere - *dependent on subject*.

Some older system integration stuff has died and gone to hell - y`can`t even get a job even looking as far afield as Nigeria or South Korea....... some IT markets are still OK.

Still - very few people anywhere pay relocation to a new country. It was "do-able" at the height of the boom, when I could get H1-B status for the US (from the UK) but generally employers have to jump through all kinds of hoops for months to get a foreign employee. And there are plenty of unemployed IT professionals local to them at the moment.

daveuk1965 May 15th 2004 6:03 am


Originally posted by flashman
I suggest that the I.T. market in North America is still suffering from the Dot-com backlash where I.T. people lost a lot of credibility regarding their approach to business.
WHAT ??????????? ;-))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))

You suggest it - but it`s not true.

Business threw money into IT projects with total utter greed until the bubble burst. So now what you have is a surplus of IT professionals - and - an unwillingness on the part of any employer to take staff on during *a recession*.

flashman May 16th 2004 12:30 pm


Originally posted by daveuk1965
WHAT ??????????? ;-))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))

You suggest it - but it`s not true.

Business threw money into IT projects with total utter greed until the bubble burst. So now what you have is a surplus of IT professionals - and - an unwillingness on the part of any employer to take staff on during *a recession*.
Many of those IT projects were Internet based flights of fancy from those professionals. They were based on flawed business models and unrealistic assumptions.

daveuk1965 May 16th 2004 12:48 pm

Which ones, specifically ? ;-)))

The ones where two idiots get $500k off a venture capitalist for an idea which won`t work - they then PAY IT PROFESSIONALS to do it (spot the distinction) - and surprise, it doesn`t work.

The dot com boom came about because venture capitalists and investors threw money around in a greedy attempt to capture a market which never would have existed. Think "third gen mobile phones" and the scramble for the licenses, where people paid more money than they`d ever make off it. Don`t blame it on the IT staff, blame it on the people who put together plans on the back of cigarette packets - all it was was a greed overdose.

mickj May 17th 2004 12:40 pm

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whilst we are on the subject of IT:

Yahoo is taking on Google on the email front. Yahoo Mail has announced it's going to up it's free storage from 6 to 100 megabytes. Paid users will get virtually unlimited storage.

http://www.siliconvalley.com/mld/si...ley/8665054.htm

mickj May 18th 2004 1:11 am

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What does your desktop screenshot say about you? Is it as cool as the one below, show it to us then, in what is known as "SHOW US YOUR SCREENSHOT", or should that be knickers :-)

madscientist May 18th 2004 9:01 pm


Originally posted by daveuk1965
IT is dead everywhere - *dependent on subject*.

Some older system integration stuff has died and gone to hell - y`can`t even get a job even looking as far afield as Nigeria or South Korea....... some IT markets are still OK.

Still - very few people anywhere pay relocation to a new country. It was "do-able" at the height of the boom, when I could get H1-B status for the US (from the UK) but generally employers have to jump through all kinds of hoops for months to get a foreign employee. And there are plenty of unemployed IT professionals local to them at the moment.

You're right...I.T. was already dying when I left the US in 2001 and the I.T. market in the UK has followed suit. I hear the media talking about how the British economy is doing so well and how unemployment is at its lowest level for 20 years...that's all fine, but WHERE ARE THE JOBS? I've been looking for another for a year and there are simply none to be had. My position is extremely specialized so there aren't many jobs to begin with, but there's almost no competition either. ;-) I haven't seen a listing for my field in this county in 14 months.

madscientist May 18th 2004 9:02 pm


Originally posted by flashman
Many of those IT projects were Internet based flights of fancy from those professionals. They were based on flawed business models and unrealistic assumptions.
Absolutely right.

Bleech May 18th 2004 9:17 pm

Sod it, Bored of IT anyway, I'm gonna buy a B&B by the lake :D

SirTainly May 18th 2004 9:40 pm

Hiya

I'm also in IT, and I've been looking at moving to Canada, but it seems as dead as the UK. Things here picked up a bit in march/april but they've gone quiet again now, probably for the summer "rest". I was hoping to come out on recce trip later this year, but doesn't look like I'll be able to now. I was in a bad car smash in Feb and still can't walk...but anyway. It seems Toronto is the place for all things IT, is this really the case, or just jobs in smaller towns elsewhere not making monster.ca or similar ?

Simon

PS Mick, here's my desktop, can you do the transparency thing ? ;)
http://www.2and2.net/Uploads/Audio/Screenshot.jpg

stepnek May 19th 2004 12:48 am


Originally posted by mickj
What does your desktop screenshot say about you? Is it as cool as the one below, show it to us then, in what is known as "SHOW US YOUR SCREENSHOT", or should that be knickers :-)
Oh no Mick. Far too many icons on show there! I prefer a much more uncluttered desktop myself. ;)

mickj May 19th 2004 1:17 am

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Stepnek....The windows platform is for the missus to use, i usually use LINUX or UNIX, all three platforms are on the same computers round the house, and on the laptop. There are some programs that are not on display there

Sir Tainly....what transparency thing are you talking about? At least i know you are UNIX user, and like pearl jam Also try downloading winamp pro 5.03, its the best they've ever done, you are now able to play movies, and the interface is a lot better. I might have what you need to make it do more ( As a computer person, you know what i mean )

SirTainly May 19th 2004 1:18 am

Mick,

The transparency on the terminal..means I can still see my background when working :) Btw it''s Fedora Linux, pretty cool and slightly nicer than Redhat. I'll try to d/l winamp for the windows box at home tonight. Yeah I'm playing Pearl Jam, trying to relive my adolescence or something ;)

Cheers

Simon


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