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Snowy560 Dec 28th 2015 3:23 am

re: Bricklayer/concreter wanting to move to Alberta -Canada
 
Given your age, I would suggest setting up a profile to become a candidate in the IEC pool. Draws have already started, so I would prioritise setting up a profile asap:

Determine your eligibility – International Experience Canada

Become a candidate – International Experience Canada

Creating a profile:

Submit your profile – International Experience Canada

ensure you select "British Citizen" as the nationality (I assume you are a British Citizen).

If you get an invitation to apply for a work permit, you will have to be organised in applying within the timeframe.


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Daish11 Dec 28th 2015 3:51 am

Bricklaying work in canada
 
Hi can anyone tell me about bricklaying work in canada?
I've been offered $39 an hour over there is this good?
Are you self employed or on the books?
Do they offer pricework like in england?
Is there a lot on in alberta?
I started another thread but wasn't getting much response about the bricklaying side more about the immigration
Thanks

JonboyE Dec 28th 2015 4:23 am

Re: Bricklaying work in canada
 
I am in BC and things might be a bit different here.

Almost all new houses are timber frame. The equivalent of flats are either timber frame or concrete construction. Most new commercial buildings are concrete tilt up.

Bricks are only really used as a decorative siding. There may also be work restoring heritage brick buildings and concrete block work on older commercial buildings.

I work with several small to medium sized builders and construction companies and none have a bricklayer on staff. Generally the only trades they have on payroll are carpenters.

Bricklaying is seen as a specialty trade and brickies subcontract - i.e. they are self-employed. They quote the general contractor a price to complete a scope of work and are responsible for all the costs of getting the work on time and to standard.

If you are working per hour $39 as a subcontractor is reasonable here. As an employee it is bloody good.

Siouxie Dec 28th 2015 4:33 am

Re: Bricklaying work in canada
 

Originally Posted by Daish11 (Post 11822603)
Hi can anyone tell me about bricklaying work in canada?
I've been offered $39 an hour over there is this good?
Are you self employed or on the books?
Do they offer pricework like in england?
Is there a lot on in alberta?
I started another thread but wasn't getting much response about the bricklaying side more about the immigration
Thanks

11 jobs advertised in the whole of Alberta, so it would appear not.

It's not the best time of year though as construction slows down in the winter.

You may want to look into getting your credentials certified as 'most' of them want Bricklayer Trade Certification,

:)

Snowy560 Dec 28th 2015 5:15 am

Re: Bricklaying work in canada
 
Yes it's true about BC. In Toronto I noticed a lot more brick though.

See the suggestions on your other thread about IEC. If you were lucky with that, you could work anywhere in most kinds of jobs.


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Aviator Dec 28th 2015 5:20 am

re: Bricklayer/concreter wanting to move to Alberta -Canada
 

Originally Posted by Daish11 (Post 11822471)
Are there any bricklayers over there that can tell me is it much different to england? Is it all hourly rates or do they do pricework like we all do in england? Are you on the books or self employed? Thanks

FYI It is 'piecework' not pricework (in the UK and NA). Whether one is self employed or an employee is not a choice, it depends on the nature of the employment and if it fits the CRA criteria for 'self employed'.

RC4110 - Employee or Self-employed?

'Off the books' is unreported income and illegal.

Loose Ends in Economics: Five Common Misconceptions about Employment “Off the Books”

Certification, although not mandatory in all provinces for bricklayer, will in all likelihood reduce ones earning potential and employability, excepting where a desperate labour shortage exists, which at present it doesn't. It would certainly reduce the likelihood of an employer getting a LMIA for a foreign worker.

To become certified, the only option for a foreign worker is to challenge the interprovincial exam. To do this they have to prove around 7500 hours of work experience with employer letters, payslips, tax returns etc. This is pretty much 2½ years full time. On the job apprenticeship time counts, but not school time.

IEC would seem a good option. If you work as a bricklayer or helper in Canada, these hours would go toward qualifying hours. Keep good records if you change jobs and make sure you get records of employment for each job.

Bricklayer / Red Seal

Credit for prior learning and Red Seal information | ITA BC

Challenging Exams | ITA BC

http://www.itabc.ca/sites/default/fi...ugust-2014.pdf

Daish11 Dec 28th 2015 7:04 am

Re: Bricklayer/concreter wanting to move to Alberta?
 

Originally Posted by Aviator (Post 11822652)
FYI It is 'piecework' not pricework (in the UK and NA). Whether one is self employed or an employee is not a choice, it depends on the nature of the employment and if it fits the CRA criteria for 'self employed'.

RC4110 - Employee or Self-employed?

'Off the books' is unreported income and illegal.

Loose Ends in Economics: Five Common Misconceptions about Employment “Off the Books”

Certification, although not mandatory in all provinces for bricklayer, will in all likelihood reduce ones earning potential and employability, excepting where a desperate labour shortage exists, which at present it doesn't. It would certainly reduce the likelihood of an employer getting a LMIA for a foreign worker.

To become certified, the only option for a foreign worker is to challenge the interprovincial exam. To do this they have to prove around 7500 hours of work experience with employer letters, payslips, tax returns etc. This is pretty much 2½ years full time. On the job apprenticeship time counts, but not school time.

IEC would seem a good option. If you work as a bricklayer or helper in Canada, these hours would go toward qualifying hours. Keep good records if you change jobs and make sure you get records of employment for each job.

Bricklayer / Red Seal

Credit for prior learning and Red Seal information | ITA BC

Challenging Exams | ITA BC

http://www.itabc.ca/sites/default/fi...ugust-2014.pdf

piecework? It's pricework? You work by the hour or pricework where you get paid per brick/block?

I'm just interested in earning a wage where I can live a nice life that's all. The company that has offered work has said my qualifications are fine?
If I'm sponsored will it make getting in a lot easier?

Siouxie Dec 28th 2015 7:23 am

Re: Bricklayer/concreter wanting to move to Alberta -Canada
 
The company will need to get an LMIA approved to employ you, then you will need to get a work permit. You can read about it here: Work in Canada

Are you hoping to become a permanent resident?

Daish11 Dec 28th 2015 7:28 am

Re: Bricklayer/concreter wanting to move to Alberta -Canada
 

Originally Posted by Siouxie (Post 11822738)
The company will need to get an LMIA approved to employ you, then you will need to get a work permit. You can read about it here: Work in Canada

Are you hoping to become a permanent resident?

Yes the plan is to stay permanent

Aviator Dec 28th 2015 7:40 am

Re: Bricklayer/concreter wanting to move to Alberta?
 

Originally Posted by Daish11 (Post 11822727)
piecework? It's pricework? You work by the hour or pricework where you get paid per brick/block?

I'm just interested in earning a wage where I can live a nice life that's all. The company that has offered work has said my qualifications are fine?
If I'm sponsored will it make getting in a lot easier?

However you want. It is correctly piece work though, you are paid by the piece, i. e. productivity.

Piecework | Define Piecework at Dictionary.com
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Piece_work

Price work, although not a term used in NA is a fixed price to do a job, paid a fixed rate for a job i.e. £500 to build that wall.

Daish11 Dec 28th 2015 7:40 am

Re: Bricklayer/concreter wanting to move to Alberta -Canada
 
Also can anyone tell me how much renting is over there? 2/3 bed house. Our friend owns a house on a lake has acres of land and it cost him $280000
The equivalent of what we'd pay for a 2 bed flat here!
What sort of money would we need to bring over to get us started, deposit for renting getting a car ect.
Thanks

Aviator Dec 28th 2015 7:42 am

Re: Bricklayer/concreter wanting to move to Alberta -Canada
 

Originally Posted by Daish11 (Post 11822752)
Also can anyone tell me how much renting is over there? 2/3 bed house. Our friend owns a house on a lake has acres of land and it cost him $280000
The equivalent of what we'd pay for a 2 bed flat here!
What sort of money would we need to bring over to get us started, deposit for renting getting a car ect.
Thanks

Maybe read the wiki on this site as was suggested. That will answer a lot of your questions. Also, many of these topics can be found using the search function on this site.

Daish11 Dec 28th 2015 7:43 am

Re: Bricklayer/concreter wanting to move to Alberta?
 

Originally Posted by Aviator (Post 11822751)
However you want. It is correctly piece work though, you are paid by the piece, i. e. productivity.

Piecework | Define Piecework at Dictionary.com
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Piece_work

Price work, although not a term used in NA is a fixed price to do a job, paid a fixed rate for a job i.e. £500 to build that wall.

Are you a bricklayer?
I've never known anyone call it peicework nor have I seen it people don't even advertise it as piecework it's advertised as pricework

Aviator Dec 28th 2015 7:44 am

Re: Bricklayer/concreter wanting to move to Alberta?
 

Originally Posted by Daish11 (Post 11822755)
Are you a bricklayer?
I've never known anyone call it peicework nor have I seen it people don't even advertise it as piecework it's advertised as pricework

I hire trades and pay piecework by the job (what you call price work). Done it for a lot longer than you've been around! You can call it whatever you like, but maybe use Google and look it up for yourself.

Daish11 Dec 28th 2015 7:48 am

Re: Bricklayer/concreter wanting to move to Alberta?
 

Originally Posted by Aviator (Post 11822757)
I hire trades and pay piecework by the job (what you call price work). Done it for a lot longer than you've been around! You can call it whatever you like, but maybe use Google and look it up for yourself.

We don't get paid by the job we get paid per brick and block literally lol. Are you in canada or uk?


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