best bargain ever !!!
May 31st 2011, 7:18 pm
#106
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Re: best bargain ever !!!
Theft - the dishonest appropriation of property belonging to another with the intention to permanently deprive. That is the definition in England and I am confident it is the same in Canada.
They don't have to occur simultaneously. If your bank or your employer transfers money into your bank account and, upon realising what has happened, you do nothing, it is theft.
Justify it all you want on the basis of it being a large corporation but it is the same as if one had walked out without paying for it.
It's a bit like saying I am only a little drunk while driving, or I was only slightly over the speed limit. Some of you are fine with purchasing something for less than was agreed, some of you aren't. I take no position, but I am interested in how some of you appear to believe it is fine to pay less than was agreed. One wonders if you would hold the same position if your employer paid you less than agreed today.
They don't have to occur simultaneously. If your bank or your employer transfers money into your bank account and, upon realising what has happened, you do nothing, it is theft.
Justify it all you want on the basis of it being a large corporation but it is the same as if one had walked out without paying for it.
It's a bit like saying I am only a little drunk while driving, or I was only slightly over the speed limit. Some of you are fine with purchasing something for less than was agreed, some of you aren't. I take no position, but I am interested in how some of you appear to believe it is fine to pay less than was agreed. One wonders if you would hold the same position if your employer paid you less than agreed today.
In what was did the OP do anything dishonest?
She saw 2 cameras offered for a certain price, took them up to pay, and was requested by the retailer (after consulting a supervisor) to pay a much reduced price, which was duly paid.
May 31st 2011, 7:24 pm
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Re: best bargain ever !!!
Theft - the dishonest appropriation of property belonging to another with the intention to permanently deprive. That is the definition in England and I am confident it is the same in Canada.
They don't have to occur simultaneously. If your bank or your employer transfers money into your bank account and, upon realising what has happened, you do nothing, it is theft.
Justify it all you want on the basis of it being a large corporation but it is the same as if one had walked out without paying for it.
It's a bit like saying I am only a little drunk while driving, or I was only slightly over the speed limit. Some of you are fine with purchasing something for less than was agreed, some of you aren't. I take no position, but I am interested in how some of you appear to believe it is fine to pay less than was agreed. One wonders if you would hold the same position if your employer paid you less than agreed today.
They don't have to occur simultaneously. If your bank or your employer transfers money into your bank account and, upon realising what has happened, you do nothing, it is theft.
Justify it all you want on the basis of it being a large corporation but it is the same as if one had walked out without paying for it.
It's a bit like saying I am only a little drunk while driving, or I was only slightly over the speed limit. Some of you are fine with purchasing something for less than was agreed, some of you aren't. I take no position, but I am interested in how some of you appear to believe it is fine to pay less than was agreed. One wonders if you would hold the same position if your employer paid you less than agreed today.
Would be pretty hard for Walmart to make a case for theft though as the OP took the said good to the checkout, presented said goods to the operator. Operator called the Supervisor who changed the price on the said goods then passed the said goods back to the OP to take out the store after the financial transaction had been completed. Plus knowing the world that we live in, it was probably all on camera too!
May 31st 2011, 7:33 pm
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Re: best bargain ever !!!
Nothing dishonest at the time, although one wonders how they did not notice the price discrepancy. However, now knowing that the 'stupid little girl' made an honest mistake it would only be right to go and make amends.
May 31st 2011, 7:34 pm
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Re: best bargain ever !!!
I for one would not be pleased as I have have a SIGNED contract of employment stating my salary. As I have a SIGNED agreement with the bank when I opened my account. Don't recall though signing one with Tesco, Asda or Walmart for that matter.
Would be pretty hard for Walmart to make a case for theft though as the OP took the said good to the checkout, presented said goods to the operator. Operator called the Supervisor who changed the price on the said goods then passed the said goods back to the OP to take out the store after the financial transaction had been completed. Plus knowing the world that we live in, it was probably all on camera too!
Would be pretty hard for Walmart to make a case for theft though as the OP took the said good to the checkout, presented said goods to the operator. Operator called the Supervisor who changed the price on the said goods then passed the said goods back to the OP to take out the store after the financial transaction had been completed. Plus knowing the world that we live in, it was probably all on camera too!
That said, this is more a moral issue than a legal one.
May 31st 2011, 7:41 pm
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Re: best bargain ever !!!
I think that the mistake lies with the supervisor who changed the price, not the poor girl on the checkout. Would it be her job to second guess a supervisor and a computer generated priceing system?
May 31st 2011, 7:47 pm
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Re: best bargain ever !!!
Scenario 1. An old lady is fishing about in her purse to find some change for a vending machine. She asks for your help as she has left her glasses at home. As you find a dollar at the bottom of her purse you also notice a $100 bill. You palm it and stick it in your pocket.
The old lady can't eat this week.
Scenario 2. While shopping at a mega store you spot something you want costing $100 but the checkout operator only charges you $1.
Thousands of shareholders get a little less dividend this year, millions of shoppers pay slightly more for their groceries next year.
Question:
Hopefully most of us will agree that scenario 1 is morally wrong but does the fact that scenario 2 invokes many more people but with a much smaller personal loss make it acceptable?
Is robbing one person of $1,000 wrong but robbing ten people of $100 right?
The old lady can't eat this week.
Scenario 2. While shopping at a mega store you spot something you want costing $100 but the checkout operator only charges you $1.
Thousands of shareholders get a little less dividend this year, millions of shoppers pay slightly more for their groceries next year.
Question:
Hopefully most of us will agree that scenario 1 is morally wrong but does the fact that scenario 2 invokes many more people but with a much smaller personal loss make it acceptable?
Is robbing one person of $1,000 wrong but robbing ten people of $100 right?
May 31st 2011, 8:00 pm
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Re: best bargain ever !!!
Scenario 1. An old lady is fishing about in her purse to find some change for a vending machine. She asks for your help as she has left her glasses at home. As you find a dollar at the bottom of her purse you also notice a $100 bill. You palm it and stick it in your pocket.
The old lady can't eat this week.
Scenario 2. While shopping at a mega store you spot something you want costing $100 but the checkout operator only charges you $1.
Thousands of shareholders get a little less dividend this year, millions of shoppers pay slightly more for their groceries next year.
Question:
Hopefully most of us will agree that scenario 1 is morally wrong but does the fact that scenario 2 invokes many more people but with a much smaller personal loss make it acceptable?
Is robbing one person of $1,000 wrong but robbing ten people of $100 right?
The old lady can't eat this week.
Scenario 2. While shopping at a mega store you spot something you want costing $100 but the checkout operator only charges you $1.
Thousands of shareholders get a little less dividend this year, millions of shoppers pay slightly more for their groceries next year.
Question:
Hopefully most of us will agree that scenario 1 is morally wrong but does the fact that scenario 2 invokes many more people but with a much smaller personal loss make it acceptable?
Is robbing one person of $1,000 wrong but robbing ten people of $100 right?
May 31st 2011, 8:13 pm
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Re: best bargain ever !!!
Morally I cgaff about wal-mart or any losses they make as a consequence of stealing, undercharging or whatever. If I saw somebody making off with a camera up their jumper I wouldn't grass them up; in fact I might warn them if I noticed security watching them.
Morally I really object to people in low-wage jobs being called "stupid little girls" when they've made a simple mistake; especially if said mistake is hugely in the name callers favour.
Morally I really object to people in low-wage jobs being called "stupid little girls" when they've made a simple mistake; especially if said mistake is hugely in the name callers favour.
May 31st 2011, 8:22 pm
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Re: best bargain ever !!!
this thread was ment to just show my experience and not supposed to have been a debate on whether i was right or wrong..i too have been the "stupid little girl" i have worked in retail most of my working years..and i too have made simular mistakes as the cashier i was served by..all companies have shortages, theft etc and are given a certain amount to cover this...i too have been overcharged by walmart only the day before as a matter of fact by $10 and i just left it...im always shopping in there and i dont keep a tally of what im spending unless i am skint at the time...i havent done anything apart from keep what i purchased..as we were leaving on the day of the purchases the alarm went off as we left again the receipt was checked ...so i did nothing wrong and stand by this.
May 31st 2011, 8:34 pm
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Re: best bargain ever !!!
One needs to look to caseload for that. I suggest R v Ghosh!
May 31st 2011, 8:45 pm
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Re: best bargain ever !!!
Though others are better qualified to comment on this I am pretty sure that a simple mistake doesn't negate an existing contract or form a new one. Otherwise why would we write E & OE on our invoices?
