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Old Jan 5th 2008, 7:21 am
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my OH is working in Canada on a WP can he be sacked whilst on a WP or is the LMO like a contract and can only be dismissed if he does something majorly wrong...he hasnt done anything wrong ..just a question
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Old Jan 5th 2008, 10:43 am
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I am sure that he could still be sacked, job finished etc etc

Just because you have a LMO is not a 100% job secure, but if im wrong someone will come along and put me right, i dont honestly think any job is 100% secure, we are all taking a major risk, but if a company is willing to do a lmo for your hubby then they need him

Hope that helps

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Old Jan 5th 2008, 11:40 am
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Originally Posted by clairemarie70
my OH is working in Canada on a WP can he be sacked whilst on a WP or is the LMO like a contract and can only be dismissed if he does something majorly wrong...he hasnt done anything wrong ..just a question
http://britishexpats.com/forum/showthread.php?t=383359

I remember Posidrive had to change employers......
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Old Jan 5th 2008, 4:54 pm
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Yes, he can be sacked - or "let go" as we say over here. Canada does not have the kind of employment protection legislation that is common in Europe. It is more or less employment at will across all of North America.

However, take comfort from what gill_andy_grew says. Getting an LMO is a major hassle and an employer would not do it unless they thought they really needed someone like your OH.
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Originally Posted by JonboyE
Yes, he can be sacked - or "let go" as we say over here. Canada does not have the kind of employment protection legislation that is common in Europe. It is more or less employment at will across all of North America.

However, take comfort from what gill_andy_grew says. Getting an LMO is a major hassle and an employer would not do it unless they thought they really needed someone like your OH.
Please bear my ignorence..but what is LMO ??
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Please bear my ignorence..but what is LMO ??
A Labour Market Opinion. It is a confirmation from the Canadian Government department responsible for employment that the employer has tried and failed to recruit a Canadian for the job. It is required for a temporary work permit.
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In my personal experience, the best kind of "employment protection" is if the employee does a good job. That being said, I had personal experience of working in a place where I had job protection but the powers that be did not want me there -- and I can tell you - it's a tough row to hoe!!

I am not sure what employment protection a person gets in England, but as I said - even if you can't be fired, if they want you gone they can make things extremely unpleasant until you are glad you are not there!

At the time all this happened, I wished I had quit before they invited me to leave -- however, in retrospect putting up with the cr** was the very, very best thing I could have done. They had to offer me an excellent severance package, whereas if I had just quit I would have walked out of there with nothing!

A bit off topic but still some advice based on experience.
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Originally Posted by lizwil98
In my personal experience, the best kind of "employment protection" is if the employee does a good job.
That's how it works.
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Originally Posted by JonboyE
A Labour Market Opinion. It is a confirmation from the Canadian Government department responsible for employment that the employer has tried and failed to recruit a Canadian for the job. It is sometimes required for a temporary work permit.
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A Labour Market Opinion. It is a confirmation from the Canadian Government department responsible for employment that the employer has tried and failed to recruit a Canadian for the job. It is sometimes required for a temporary work permit.


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[QUOTE= the best kind of "employment protection" is if the employee does a good job[/QUOTE]

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From what I hear, only true if the employer has a sufficient workload. And doesn't have some kind of a 'relative' working for them.
Otherwise it's..... when you suddenly notice someone missing and get told ' we had to let them go', a quaint phrase
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... and get told ' we had to let them go', a quaint phrase
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In quebec among the french they say 'he/she was thanked for their services', which I find equally quaint.
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Originally Posted by JonboyE
That's how it works.
Not always, you can be doing a good job, have no complaints from the manager and if firing 1 person gets the director his bonus - then bye bye.

They sacked 3 people here with 17 years, 7 years, and 2 years experience because the Canadian wheat board didn't sign on for a project. Problem was the 3 people weren't on the project and were badly missed on their projects. 1 person had to be re-contracted for 3 months at 5 times his salary to complete his work for British Sugar. Another got hired by our client to act as Project Manager for them, ouch.


The other thing they do is to lay you off and if you hang around on the EI for a year they pay you off but if you get another job you essential quit.

Oh yea Overtime isn't always paid and if you don't get a good contract you may have to work a year for 2 weeks holiday it's the Law that that's all they have to give you in some places.
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BC Employment Standards, including rules for lay off.

http://www.qp.gov.bc.ca/statreg/stat/E/96113_01.htm
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In the UK I got fired after some false allegations were made against me by a bullying little sh1tbag who fancied my job.
I protested my innocence to no avail.
The bully didnt provide evidence but it made no difference.
It went to tribunal.
2 years later still nothing.
Got court to award an execution order.
Still nothing.
Company now going "insolvent" to avoid payment. I expect it will restart soon.

Take home message:
The protection you have anywhere is only as good as how sh1tty the employer feels like being and how inclined the authorities are to do something about it without. Which in my case was "very" and "nothing".

I actually prefer the North American way. At least it's honest.
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