Australia or canada for doctors
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Ah. If it's people with chronic conditions who need a GP then maybe it would be most efficient to have the walk-in deal with the newly sick and refer people to GPs only after a few visits. That way GPs wouldn't have to have much in the way of diagnostic skills and cheaper substitutes, such as nurse practitioners, could take on more of their role.
#17
I've been on a waiting list for 2 years to have an initial consultation with an orthopedic surgeon, which to my mind is unacceptable. Neighbouring health authorities have waiting lists of 3-6 months, but I can't access them as I don't live in their catchment. Those sort of discrepancies are common.
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I think the problem is you won't be getting the best care. The husband says he has pts who are registering with him who just do the rounds of walk in clinics who are on all sorts of drugs they don't need to be on, that don't work together etc etc. he says the patients records are way behind that of the uk so you only have the pts word for medical history, medication etc etc which can obviously lead to all sorts of problems. He also says benzodiazepam addiction is very high here, again from people able to pick it up from various walk in clinics. He says it's much higher than the UK. Who has duty of care to you if you only see a doctor once? For the likes of me someone healthy- physically or mentally fine, for those on the border it's not good.
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Ah. If it's people with chronic conditions who need a GP then maybe it would be most efficient to have the walk-in deal with the newly sick and refer people to GPs only after a few visits. That way GPs wouldn't have to have much in the way of diagnostic skills and cheaper substitutes, such as nurse practitioners, could take on more of their role.
Upside for was co-payment too, NP was co-pay free where the GP was a 25 co-pay..
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I think the problem is you won't be getting the best care. The husband says he has pts who are registering with him who just do the rounds of walk in clinics who are on all sorts of drugs they don't need to be on, that don't work together etc etc. he says the patients records are way behind that of the uk so you only have the pts word for medical history, medication etc etc which can obviously lead to all sorts of problems. He also says benzodiazepam addiction is very high here, again from people able to pick it up from various walk in clinics. He says it's much higher than the UK. Who has duty of care to you if you only see a doctor once? For the likes of me someone healthy- physically or mentally fine, for those on the border it's not good.
Most walk in's I have been to in BC, wont prescribe the most commonly abused drugs, as well as most mental health meds.
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Ah. If it's people with chronic conditions who need a GP then maybe it would be most efficient to have the walk-in deal with the newly sick and refer people to GPs only after a few visits. That way GPs wouldn't have to have much in the way of diagnostic skills and cheaper substitutes, such as nurse practitioners, could take on more of their role.
See in the UK, it's the other way round, nurse pracs are dealing with more treatment of chronic conditions within acute and GP settings. They can work in a specialised area within defined parameters of a role.
Think about it this way, you have a sudden onset of systems which possibly point to an urgent suspected cancer, do you want to take that to your own doctor who is fully aware of your medical history, any family history, previous symptoms and treatment, or do you want to take it someone new who you don't know, and hope that they treat you appropriately?
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Thank you sooo much for all your replies.
Thank you Tirytory for your kind detailed reply. There was lot of useful information.
Oink!! you are absolutely spot on with whats going on in my mind. Only thing I would add is small houses for the prices. I always liked to have huge ones.
Sorry but few more questions-
1.I was just wondering if you have any clues on Australian pay for GPs and Paeds?
2.i think average pay a full time GP gets in UK is 100-120k for 8-9 sessions + pension. How would be range in Ontario? I understand pension not paid as in nhs. Is it still higher considering this?
3. Is workload equivalent or higher than UK GPs considering I will do only GP surgery with no other special interest.
4.What are the preferred places in Ontario to live or work??
akshabhi
Thank you Tirytory for your kind detailed reply. There was lot of useful information.
Oink!! you are absolutely spot on with whats going on in my mind. Only thing I would add is small houses for the prices. I always liked to have huge ones.
Sorry but few more questions-
1.I was just wondering if you have any clues on Australian pay for GPs and Paeds?
2.i think average pay a full time GP gets in UK is 100-120k for 8-9 sessions + pension. How would be range in Ontario? I understand pension not paid as in nhs. Is it still higher considering this?
3. Is workload equivalent or higher than UK GPs considering I will do only GP surgery with no other special interest.
4.What are the preferred places in Ontario to live or work??
akshabhi
I think your average for a UK GP is pretty high. Where my husband worked, he was 9 sessions plus a lot of ooh work and still wasn't as high that and getting less by the month with the various government changes. So yes, the wages are higher.
Workload is defined by yourself, however much you want to earn, although keep in mind there are still requirements to ooh. Husband does every Wednesday after clinic hrs and a weekend a month..
Ontario is about 3 times bigger than the UK, but there is also Alberta, BC, plus other provinces to think about it. You have to consider what you want out of a new life. Country? City? Lots of snow? Not much? How much cold can you out up with?
If you contact Health Force Ontario, they will be able to help you run through what you need to do to get licensing, salaries and jobs etc. Only for Ontario obviously, you might find Alberta is prepared to help you substantially to go work out there. But you need to do the basics first, figure out what you want and where you want to be- if it helps, we narrowed down to flight time, weather, the information on the different provinces and then the different licensing requirements within provinces.
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I think the problem is you won't be getting the best care. The husband says he has pts who are registering with him who just do the rounds of walk in clinics who are on all sorts of drugs they don't need to be on, that don't work together etc etc. he says the patients records are way behind that of the uk so you only have the pts word for medical history, medication etc etc which can obviously lead to all sorts of problems. He also says benzodiazepam addiction is very high here, again from people able to pick it up from various walk in clinics. He says it's much higher than the UK. Who has duty of care to you if you only see a doctor once? For the likes of me someone healthy- physically or mentally fine, for those on the border it's not good.
My own GP is on vacation so often i rarely see the same doctor twice, i coukd see a nurse practitioner but i am not impressed by the ones at my health clinic.
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Think about it this way, you have a sudden onset of systems which possibly point to an urgent suspected cancer, do you want to take that to your own doctor who is fully aware of your medical history, any family history, previous symptoms and treatment, or do you want to take it someone new who you don't know, and hope that they treat you appropriately
If one needs these and has no doctor at all, they can go to the ER and try their luck, or just do without.
ER doctors have more access to medical history and history of medication, where a walk in won't.
I was surprised how the doctor in the ER was able to pull up all my medication history having never been to that ER before.
If you have a severe mental illness, you can usually get a social worker and psychiatrist at mental health unit for your region, if your mild to moderate mental illness, then its a lot harder to get either.
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Sometimes I wonder if doctors even remember their patients... With electronic records, I wish the practice which has 8 or 9 doctors in it, would just let patients see any of them, they all have access to the records in the practice, but they still make you just see the doctor you have, just a pain when you have a semi-retired doctor with limited working hours at his practice.
If its not a mental health drug, or pain killer, walk in's will usually do a refill but the one's I am familiar with wont re-fill pain killers and mental health drugs because of the potential for abuse and addiction.
If one needs these and has no doctor at all, they can go to the ER and try their luck, or just do without.
ER doctors have more access to medical history and history of medication, where a walk in won't.
I was surprised how the doctor in the ER was able to pull up all my medication history having never been to that ER before.
If you have a severe mental illness, you can usually get a social worker and psychiatrist at mental health unit for your region, if your mild to moderate mental illness, then its a lot harder to get either.
If its not a mental health drug, or pain killer, walk in's will usually do a refill but the one's I am familiar with wont re-fill pain killers and mental health drugs because of the potential for abuse and addiction.
If one needs these and has no doctor at all, they can go to the ER and try their luck, or just do without.
ER doctors have more access to medical history and history of medication, where a walk in won't.
I was surprised how the doctor in the ER was able to pull up all my medication history having never been to that ER before.
If you have a severe mental illness, you can usually get a social worker and psychiatrist at mental health unit for your region, if your mild to moderate mental illness, then its a lot harder to get either.
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My experience is they don't. Nor do they read notes prior to seeing you.
Last visit, I was offered drugs I'd already suffered adverse reaction to, a cortisone injection and X-ray diagnosis, which I'd already had.
Last visit, I was offered drugs I'd already suffered adverse reaction to, a cortisone injection and X-ray diagnosis, which I'd already had.
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Think about it this way, you have a sudden onset of systems which possibly point to an urgent suspected cancer, do you want to take that to your own doctor who is fully aware of your medical history, any family history, previous symptoms and treatment, or do you want to take it someone new who you don't know, and hope that they treat you appropriately?
That's an information sharing problem not one altered by the doctor knowing or not knowing the patient.
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I am not even sure some doctors really know what they are prescribing half the time, luckily the doc I have now isn't a pill pusher like the last doctor was.



