Applying for first permanent SIN after soft-landing
#1
Applying for first permanent SIN after soft-landing
sAs some people on here may know, I soft landed in Summer 2018 but only stayed briefly due to other commitments at the time and because I didn't have a long term Canadian address, I didn't apply for a PR card or a SIN. My original intention was to return later that year or in early 2019 however life threw a couple of rather large curve balls at me and I had to reschedule things a bit.
I have a PRTD in my passport and have been making preparations to return in early 2021 however I think I'm now faced with a real problem.
1. I cannot apply for a SIN without a PR card as my COPR was confirmed over 12 months ago.
2. PR cards are currently estimated at 98 days for a first issue and 287 days for an application or solemn declaration.
3. I cannot get a legal job in Canada without providing a SIN.
4. I cannot really get a decent fixed place to live without a job.
Therefore, assuming I would fall under the 287 day group for a PR card, that could leave me unable to work for almost a year or possibly even longer. That isn't really feasible for me and not just because of the financial implications of it all. Not being able to work for almost a year could be damaging to my career, not to mention my mental health.
Can anyone offer any advice here? I'm hoping I've made a mistake here and the reality isn't quite as bad as it seems to be right now. Tbh if this is the real situation then I may just need to rethink my plans to move back to Canada entirely.
Thanks in advance.
I have a PRTD in my passport and have been making preparations to return in early 2021 however I think I'm now faced with a real problem.
1. I cannot apply for a SIN without a PR card as my COPR was confirmed over 12 months ago.
2. PR cards are currently estimated at 98 days for a first issue and 287 days for an application or solemn declaration.
3. I cannot get a legal job in Canada without providing a SIN.
4. I cannot really get a decent fixed place to live without a job.
Therefore, assuming I would fall under the 287 day group for a PR card, that could leave me unable to work for almost a year or possibly even longer. That isn't really feasible for me and not just because of the financial implications of it all. Not being able to work for almost a year could be damaging to my career, not to mention my mental health.
Can anyone offer any advice here? I'm hoping I've made a mistake here and the reality isn't quite as bad as it seems to be right now. Tbh if this is the real situation then I may just need to rethink my plans to move back to Canada entirely.
Thanks in advance.
#2
Re: Applying for first permanent SIN after soft-landing
Just a couple of additional thoughts on this, can I submit an application to Sydney NS for the PR card from the UK via courier and specify a Canadian address to receive the card? Alternatively if they absolutely don't allow the latter then I could look at making a short scouting visit later in the year and submit the application in-land before returning a few months later and collecting the card when I arrive/when it shows up.
Although I know some people over there, one in particular, I didn't want to inconvenience anyone which was why I didn't provide any address details to Service Canada or the IRC when I did my landing trip. Needs must though and that's definitely preferable to bureaucracy potentially forcing into unemployment for the best part of a year.
Although I know some people over there, one in particular, I didn't want to inconvenience anyone which was why I didn't provide any address details to Service Canada or the IRC when I did my landing trip. Needs must though and that's definitely preferable to bureaucracy potentially forcing into unemployment for the best part of a year.
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Re: Applying for first permanent SIN after soft-landing
I urge you to read this link and then make your decision
https://www.canada.ca/en/immigration...dentifier.html
https://www.canada.ca/en/immigration...dentifier.html
#4
Re: Applying for first permanent SIN after soft-landing
I urge you to read this link and then make your decision
https://www.canada.ca/en/immigration...dentifier.html
https://www.canada.ca/en/immigration...dentifier.html
Are you eligible?
To be eligible for a PR Card, you must:- be a permanent resident of Canada;
- be physically present in Canada;
- meet the residency requirement (see Appendix A – Residency obligation);
- not be under an effective removal order;
- not be a Canadian citizen; and
- not be convicted of an offense related to the misuse of a PR Card
The only real downside to this that I can see so far is the several hundred quid it would cost me to fly there for a visit plus bed and board. However, considering what not being able to work for months could do to me and my finances, that's definitely the lesser of two evils. This is of course assuming that Canada no longer insists on 2 weeks of isolation upon arrival in a couple of months from now.
Last edited by DigitalGhost; Jul 1st 2020 at 9:30 pm.
#6
Re: Applying for first permanent SIN after soft-landing
I know I've slightly complicated things for myself here but Canada certainly isn't making it easy or helping to alleviate any stress either.
Tbh I'd book a flight right now since I need to schedule time off from my current job anyway but I'd ideally be hoping to stay for less than a week and right now Canadian law will prevent me from doing that. Even though I'd be planning this trip for September-ish, I'm worried that Canadian quarantine on arrival procedures will still be in place by then.
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Re: Applying for first permanent SIN after soft-landing
I will not advocate anyone to do something illegal or in a grey area but it is easy to figure out what I mean and I never went to post secondary school or have degrees.
#8
Re: Applying for first permanent SIN after soft-landing
FWIW, some of my friends have said before that I have quite a bit of formal education and skills on paper but I often seem to lack all common sense.
I've messaged a friend tonight to ask if he'd be OK with me using his address for a PR card application. If he doesn't get back to me in the next few weeks or says no then I'll need to look at an alternative. I just don't think that waiting until I arrive to settle before getting the ball rolling on the paperwork is going to be the way forward here sadly.
#10
Re: Applying for first permanent SIN after soft-landing
https://www.canada.ca/en/immigration...can-apply.html
This says that if you provide an address on landing then obviously you get your card free and automatically. I didn't provide an address and made my soft landing intentions clear.
The question on the processing time estimation tool suggests to me that 98 days only applies for new landing immigrants with cards issued at the border though and not to anybody who has applied later using an application form.
Did you submit a PR card application or solemn declaration?(required)
That's what's filling me with dread atm. Even under normal circumstances a renewal can take 4-6 months according to some forum posts etc. Having to wait almost double that time if I need it to get a job, a bank account and a place to stay just isn't feasible for me unfortunately.
#11
Re: Applying for first permanent SIN after soft-landing
Just an update, I've done a bit of online research since I am really worried about this atm and apparently I can apply for work etc using my old and long since expired temp SIN as long as I have legal status and working permission and then just update the records with the relevant HR department when my permanent SIN is issued. Does anyone know if that's true?
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Re: Applying for first permanent SIN after soft-landing
Just an update, I've done a bit of online research since I am really worried about this atm and apparently I can apply for work etc using my old and long since expired temp SIN as long as I have legal status and working permission and then just update the records with the relevant HR department when my permanent SIN is issued. Does anyone know if that's true?
https://www.canada.ca/en/employment-...pply.html#otp2
#13
Re: Applying for first permanent SIN after soft-landing
Where did you find the info? Was it a reputable site? SIN numbers are issued by Service Canada on behalf of ESDC. From their official website
https://www.canada.ca/en/employment-...pply.html#otp2
https://www.canada.ca/en/employment-...pply.html#otp2
https://www.cic.gc.ca/english/helpce...um=1505&top=17
I have to admit that the logic behind it also makes sense because similarly to the UK NI system, a SIN is not proof of valid residency status in of itself. The key difference AFAIK is that Canada differentiates between temporary and permanent numbers by prefixing all temporary numbers with a 9 which is why PR's need to apply to get theirs changed if they had a temp one first. In the UK you always just keep the same one for life.
When I had my TWP renewed back in the day I didn't do anything about renewing my SIN because I was told that I didn't have to when I flagpoled at Buffalo and my employer at the time didn't seem to see any issue either. I just had to provide them with my new work permit when I got it and it also caused me no issues with filing taxes or getting PR.
Last edited by DigitalGhost; Jul 5th 2020 at 3:26 am.
#14
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Re: Applying for first permanent SIN after soft-landing
The info was mainly from other forums but based on this reasoning:
https://www.cic.gc.ca/english/helpce...um=1505&top=17
I have to admit that the logic behind it also makes sense because similarly to the UK NI system, a SIN is not proof of valid residency status in of itself. The key difference AFAIK is that Canada differentiates between temporary and permanent numbers by prefixing all temporary numbers with a 9 which is why PR's need to apply to get theirs changed if they had a temp one first. In the UK you always just keep the same one for life.
When I had my TWP renewed back in the day I didn't do anything about renewing my SIN because I was told that I didn't have to when I flagpoled at Buffalo and my employer at the time didn't seem to see any issue either. I just had to provide them with my new work permit when I got it and it also caused me no issues with filing taxes or getting PR.
https://www.cic.gc.ca/english/helpce...um=1505&top=17
I have to admit that the logic behind it also makes sense because similarly to the UK NI system, a SIN is not proof of valid residency status in of itself. The key difference AFAIK is that Canada differentiates between temporary and permanent numbers by prefixing all temporary numbers with a 9 which is why PR's need to apply to get theirs changed if they had a temp one first. In the UK you always just keep the same one for life.
When I had my TWP renewed back in the day I didn't do anything about renewing my SIN because I was told that I didn't have to when I flagpoled at Buffalo and my employer at the time didn't seem to see any issue either. I just had to provide them with my new work permit when I got it and it also caused me no issues with filing taxes or getting PR.
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Re: Applying for first permanent SIN after soft-landing
Surely therefore my current SIN is therefore acceptable until I'm issued with a new one? I know it's a stretch but I'm just trying to find the simplest route to solve this and cause as little disruption to my life at an already tumultuous time as possible. I am planning a short trip in September so I can get a headstart on applying for a PR card inland however I'm still not sure if my application would be subject to the first issue timeline or the much longer renewal waiting period.