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Sarahad Aug 27th 2006 10:22 am

Re: Almost another Jamie Bulger
 

Originally Posted by jonfrank123
My local park when i'm back in England, Trent Park Enfield, Middlesex. LAst time I was there 2 months back, the picnic tables looked fine, I even sat there for 2 hours and had some food, I didn't see any youths hanging around, shock horror. Go and check for yourselves if you can be bothered. I'll give you a whole lsit of other ones if you want.

How can you claim that it's better in canada if you don't live there,, also how can you know all of the UK. I was chatting to someone today in Montreal who got chased down the highway by a guy with a baseball bat recently.

Seriously I also think it's because Canada is never in the UK news, thats why we all have this idea it's a crime free utopia.


Well in most of the 'parks' they dont even have swings etc... well did have but have been vandalised... but like the whole of the world some areas are ok some are not.
I dont for one min think Canada is this perfect place with no crime!! There is no where on earth like that... there are awful people in every country.

ray1968 Aug 27th 2006 10:24 am

Re: Almost another Jamie Bulger
 

Originally Posted by jonfrank123
My local park when i'm back in England, Trent Park Enfield, Middlesex. LAst time I was there 2 months back, the picnic tables looked fine, I even sat there for 2 hours and had some food, I didn't see any youths hanging around, shock horror. Go and check for yourselves if you can be bothered. I'll give you a whole lsit of other ones if you want.

How can you claim that it's better in canada if you don't live there,, also how can you know all of the UK. I was chatting to someone today in Montreal who got chased down the highway by a guy with a baseball bat recently.

Seriously I also think it's because Canada is never in the UK news, thats why we all have this idea it's a crime free utopia.

Its not a crime free utopia, but in the UK the easy availability of drink coupled with a Extreme lack of discipline in many homes and schools leads ineveitably to the youth crisis the UK faces, in almost every major town its the same thing, I have always felt far more safer in large Cdn towns then the UK ones.

ben1970 Aug 27th 2006 10:57 am

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You know, Canada isn't perfect, but one of the 'values' a lot of Canadians have here is respect for people non dependant on class, money, race.

Most people here are fairly nice. There are one or two idiots, but for the most part there is mutual respect here. Everyone understands the need to get along with each other.

From what I remember of the UK, there is a whole sub-culture of disrespect in much of the youth. The youth in all classes are taught to disrespect everyone and everything because of having money, or having no money, class or no class etc.

burton bunch Aug 27th 2006 11:27 am

Re: Almost another Jamie Bulger
 

Originally Posted by ben1970
You know, Canada isn't perfect, but one of the 'values' a lot of Canadians have here is respect for people non dependant on class, money, race.

Most people here are fairly nice. There are one or two idiots, but for the most part there is mutual respect here. Everyone understands the need to get along with each other.

From what I remember of the UK, there is a whole sub-culture of disrespect in much of the youth. The youth in all classes are taught to disrespect everyone and everything because of having money, or having no money, class or no class etc.

Have sent you karma for this comment I think you have "hit the nail on the head".

From what I have seen from visiting Canada over the last 16 years I agree that it is a much more respectful country than the UK and it is true wherever you live you get the odd idiot.

Maybe it's like I said in an earlier post because Canadian's have a much more family orientated life then the respect for others and their property is a more natural and acceptable thing. In th Uk it is probably seen as being un cool and kids get alot of peer pressure for being a respectful dork !

dingbat Aug 27th 2006 3:01 pm

Re: Almost another Jamie Bulger
 

Originally Posted by Happydayz
I have to disagree...sorry, but when did you last live in the UK..does it really matter how big or small the place you live....if you dont feel safe to walk to the shop.....its not media hype that makes people feel unsafe in the UK, its the in your face little sods mouthing off telling you what are you gonna do about it...as i said the media in the UK dont report it.....because its out of control


Just been back to Blighty as it goes, and all I saw was the same old stuff that was there when I last lived there; more visible minorities down South I guess, but oddly enough there was less traffic than I remembered. Nothing has changed really except people's ability to visit other countries and/or get itchy feet. The beer up North is way more pricey than I recalled too. I was walking around dodgy parts of London at night on occasion, I didn't feel unsafe as a person, just unsafe as a woman - I feel that here in some parts of town and downtown. In your face little sods don't bother me much...maybe because I was one because I had to be where I grew up. The Daily Mail and it's ilk is having a laaarf at everyone's expense with it's sensational type of jingoism. It was great to meet up with two separate would be emigrants and one returnee family....so interesting to watch the would-be's re-evaluate their decisions after a few :beer: and some hometruths from the returnees. Still, it was a very therapeutic visit and gave me a new appreciation of what is important in life and what I have, wherever I am going to be in the world. I loaded up on Ariel, so I am a very happy laundry bunny for twelve months or so. Waggons East for me now....a new job and life beckon. :cool:

jonfrank123 Aug 27th 2006 3:06 pm

Re: Almost another Jamie Bulger
 

Originally Posted by ray1968
Its not a crime free utopia, but in the UK the easy availability of drink coupled with a Extreme lack of discipline in many homes and schools leads ineveitably to the youth crisis the UK faces, in almost every major town its the same thing, I have always felt far more safer in large Cdn towns then the UK ones.

Why do we label all teenagers as "yobs". Doesn't anyone think that it is a small minority of kids behaving badly? Are there any statistics on this. If there are no facts all we are doing is basing it on media reports.

All I can say is after living her eI don't feel any safer in Montreal than I did in London. I don't think any of them are particularly dangerous. The way some people are talking about the UK you would think its more dangerous than Bogota

Jonathan

Buchan6 Aug 28th 2006 3:26 am

Re: Almost another Jamie Bulger
 
A ridiculous overstatement and shame on you for using Jamie Bulgers name in comparison.

AnyaT Aug 28th 2006 3:38 am

Re: Almost another Jamie Bulger
 

Originally Posted by dingbat
Waggons East for me now....a new job and life beckon. :cool:

Great news - where are you heading?

ray1968 Aug 28th 2006 4:09 am

Re: Almost another Jamie Bulger
 

Originally Posted by Buchan6
A ridiculous overstatement and shame on you for using Jamie Bulgers name in comparison.


Do you know what happened to Jamie Bulger ? If so you'd know there are a lot of similarites , the KEY one being a very small child being horrendously attacked by another "child" ..thats what horrified Britons most

and if you also read

http://uk.news.yahoo.com/26082006/32...ck-attack.html

You'll note at the bottom of the report mentioning on the Bulger case.

Here as well

http://www.guardian.co.uk/crime/arti...859712,00.html


The fact that you don't recognise the similarities is your problem ..so no shame not me

Rich_007 Aug 28th 2006 4:11 am

Re: Almost another Jamie Bulger
 

Originally Posted by AnyaT
Great news - where are you heading?

Great news..... for BC ? :cool:

Rich.

Bleech Aug 28th 2006 5:24 am

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Originally Posted by dingbat
so interesting to watch the would-be's re-evaluate their decisions after a few :beer:

I bet you really sold it to them! :rolleyes:

Rich_007 Aug 28th 2006 5:46 am

Re: Almost another Jamie Bulger
 

Originally Posted by Bleech
I bet you really sold it to them! :rolleyes:

It's OK dude, if they wear flip flops they can stay in the sunny smiley happy laid back UK. More space and Kokanee for us fella. :D

Rich.

Buchan6 Aug 28th 2006 5:58 am

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The fact that you don't recognise the similarities is your problem ..so no shame not me[/QUOTE]

No reason to bring up his name at all. Let JB RIP, end of.

London7 Aug 28th 2006 6:04 am

Re: Almost another Jamie Bulger
 

Originally Posted by jonfrank123
My local park when i'm back in England, Trent Park Enfield, Middlesex. LAst time I was there 2 months back, the picnic tables looked fine, I even sat there for 2 hours and had some food, I didn't see any youths hanging around, shock horror. Go and check for yourselves if you can be bothered. I'll give you a whole lsit of other ones if you want.

How can you claim that it's better in canada if you don't live there,, also how can you know all of the UK. I was chatting to someone today in Montreal who got chased down the highway by a guy with a baseball bat recently.

Seriously I also think it's because Canada is never in the UK news, thats why we all have this idea it's a crime free utopia.

I think the big difference in Canada, well BC where i am anyway is we dont have the anti social element that is sooooooooo obvious in the UK. I have been here 19 months, and literally never seen youths hanging around being abusive etc, in fact, have had bizarre experiences of youths opening doors and saying hello to my baby! :eek:
I think BC has huge problems, personally that the govt are in denial about, ie drugs,guns etc, but its just hidden here.
Its certainly not crime free, but i guess because life is easier and the crime is not in your face, ie smashed up bus stops/telephone boxes, you feel its safer.
I think sarahs point was valid though, as i recently met a Canadain friend in the park with our kids. We stayed all day and left bags, toys etc , no one touched them! I would not have done that in Yorkshire or London where I lived.
But eh, I am a criminal defence lawyer, so maybe i have defended too many scrotts!

Rich_007 Aug 28th 2006 7:47 am

Re: Almost another Jamie Bulger
 

Originally Posted by London7
i guess because life is easier and the crime is not in your face, ie smashed up bus stops/telephone boxes, you feel its safer.

Stoners tend to avoid physical exertion. Apathy reigns supreme, yah, whatever dude :cool: :zzz:

Rich.


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