Alberta seems popular
#46
Re: Alberta seems popular
Originally Posted by iaink
Manufacturing is hit by the strong dollar, so of course ontario suffers more, as it has far more of it to suffer!
Ontarios manufacturing was up last month...let me quote stats canada...
In Ontario, the transportation industry, which accounts for nearly a third of Ontario's manufacturing output, increased 2.2% to just under $8.0 billion. This was the main reason behind Ontario's 1.2% jump in shipments to $25.2 billion
25bn in a month, compared to $5bn in AB. I make that $300bn a year..as opposed to 8.8% of 168bn overall ($16.5bn) in the 2004 figures you quoted for Alberta.
I wonder too how much of the manufacturing and business service output in AB (which has grown as a % as the energy segment contracted) is also tied to the energy sector in one way or another?
Ontarios manufacturing was up last month...let me quote stats canada...
In Ontario, the transportation industry, which accounts for nearly a third of Ontario's manufacturing output, increased 2.2% to just under $8.0 billion. This was the main reason behind Ontario's 1.2% jump in shipments to $25.2 billion
25bn in a month, compared to $5bn in AB. I make that $300bn a year..as opposed to 8.8% of 168bn overall ($16.5bn) in the 2004 figures you quoted for Alberta.
I wonder too how much of the manufacturing and business service output in AB (which has grown as a % as the energy segment contracted) is also tied to the energy sector in one way or another?
Your numbers don't seem to add up:
http://www.2ontario.com/facts/fact01_fact_sheet.asp
If Ontario's economy is $538 billion, and manufacturing is 20.9 % of it, that means Ontario's manufacturing output is worth $112 billion/year - not $300 billion.
I wonder too how much of the service and financial sectors in Ontario are indirectly tied - in one way or another - to Ontario's weak (lots of layoffs) manufacturing sector?
Last edited by oceanMDX; Sep 13th 2006 at 5:57 pm.
#47
Re: Alberta seems popular
Originally Posted by dbd33
OK, Mr. Huckster, Alberta's economy has steadily expanded since the dawn of time and that expansion will continue until the end of time. It's safe, it's very very safe.
Last edited by oceanMDX; Sep 13th 2006 at 6:13 pm.
#48
Re: Alberta seems popular
Originally Posted by oceanMDX
Your numbers don't seem to add up:
http://www.2ontario.com/facts/fact01_fact_sheet.asp
If Ontario's economy is $538 billion, and manufacturing is 20.9 % of it, that means Ontario's manufacturing output is worth $112 billion/year - not $300 billion.
http://www.2ontario.com/facts/fact01_fact_sheet.asp
If Ontario's economy is $538 billion, and manufacturing is 20.9 % of it, that means Ontario's manufacturing output is worth $112 billion/year - not $300 billion.
Albertas manufacturing in 2005 ~94bn, $60bn of it petrochemical. out of a total GDP of 187bn (or 215Bn, depending whose dollars you look at)
Ontarios manufacturing in 2005 133bn, plus 311bn in service industry
Im not going to labour the point anymore. If people care they can google their own numbers.
Last edited by iaink; Sep 13th 2006 at 6:08 pm.
#49
Re: Alberta seems popular
Originally Posted by iaink
Its not my numbers, its stats canadas, and we already covered that elsewhere.
At any rate, Ontario's manufacturing industry is most certainly larger than Alberta's....
Last edited by oceanMDX; Sep 13th 2006 at 6:12 pm.
#51
Re: Alberta seems popular
Originally Posted by oceanMDX
Mr. Huckster? Talk about the pot calling the kettle black with all your little schemes and mistress... if you wife couldn't trust you ... why should we? LMAO.
#52
Re: Alberta seems popular
Originally Posted by dbd33
I'm not selling anything here. I'm not promoting anything. You're selling Alberta like it's a swamp in Florida, despite living in Mexico, while I'm just advising caution. There's no need for readers to trust me because I'm not putting them at risk.
I lived in Alberta for 15 years, made some money there and retired at 40 thanks to its economy and a lot of hard work. I was born in Ontario and graduated from university there before I left at 25.... still visit family there every year or so.... I know a good deal about both places.
.... and btw, the Okanagan valley is not in Mexico.
Last edited by oceanMDX; Sep 13th 2006 at 6:26 pm.
#53
Re: Alberta seems popular
Originally Posted by oceanMDX
I'm not selling anything here.... just countering your misinformation about Alberta. If you aren't talking about how its some haven for rednecks ..... then it's about how its economy could go bust at any time. On a proportional basis, Ontario has just as many rednecks as Alberta.
I lived in Alberta for 15 years, made some money there and retired at 40 thanks to its economy and a lot of hard work. I was born in Ontario and graduated from university there before I left at 25.... still visit family there every year or so.... I know a good deal about both places.
.... and btw, the Okanagan valley is not in Mexico.
I lived in Alberta for 15 years, made some money there and retired at 40 thanks to its economy and a lot of hard work. I was born in Ontario and graduated from university there before I left at 25.... still visit family there every year or so.... I know a good deal about both places.
.... and btw, the Okanagan valley is not in Mexico.
#54
Re: Alberta seems popular
Originally Posted by oceanMDX
If you aren't talking about how its some haven for rednecks ..... then it's about how its economy could go bust at any time.
#55
Re: Alberta seems popular
Does anybody else feel like they just read through a bunch of economists debating?
Sorry... didn't mean to interupt or anything, I must say, if you lot are British Expats (I'm an imposter myself) then you certainly got the patriotic/provincial bug in you... *stands up & starts singing* Ohhhhh Canada...
Sorry... didn't mean to interupt or anything, I must say, if you lot are British Expats (I'm an imposter myself) then you certainly got the patriotic/provincial bug in you... *stands up & starts singing* Ohhhhh Canada...
#56
Re: Alberta seems popular
Originally Posted by Daedra
Does anybody else feel like they just read through a bunch of economists debating?
Sorry... didn't mean to interupt or anything, I must say, if you lot are British Expats (I'm an imposter myself) then you certainly got the patriotic/provincial bug in you... *stands up & starts singing* Ohhhhh Canada...
Sorry... didn't mean to interupt or anything, I must say, if you lot are British Expats (I'm an imposter myself) then you certainly got the patriotic/provincial bug in you... *stands up & starts singing* Ohhhhh Canada...
#57
Re: Alberta seems popular
Originally Posted by Daedra
*stands up & starts singing* Ohhhhh Canada...
#58
Re: Alberta seems popular
Originally Posted by dbd33
I know you've mentioned having a trailer in the Okanagan as well as an apartment in Mexico. I guess that's just reward for all those years in Alberta.
#59
Re: Alberta seems popular
Originally Posted by oceanMDX
I never said any such thing.... just more of the usual distortion coming from you. I have a motor home in BC, and a house in Mexico, here it is:
#60
Re: Alberta seems popular
Originally Posted by iaink
I dont think he said at any time, just at some time. And history has shown that thats a fair bet.