Dual US/Dutch citizenship?
My son is currently working in the Netherlands on a highly-skilled migrant visa. He earned his MS in Leiden and can apply for permanent residence in about 2 more years. Sometime after that he can apply for citizenship. His understanding is that he will have to renounce his US citizenship and is not able to be a dual national. Is that right? If not, can he retain permanent residency and keep his US citizenship?
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Re: Dual US/Dutch citizenship?
As you already mention, he *can* apply for Dutch citizenship, but he is not forced to do so. Dual nationality is not allowed in the Netherlands (except for a few specific circumstances), so his choice would indeed result in him having to denounce his US citizenship. However, that would be the consequence of his free choice.
Permanent residency is, as the word says, permanent and does not involve renouncing citizenship. For more details you can start reading here: https://ind.nl/en/dutch-citizenship/...alisation.aspx |
Re: Dual US/Dutch citizenship?
Thanks, SushiFan - that link was very helpful. So it seems there is something called long-term permanent residency. Once he obtains that, would it be possible for him to spend a few years outside of the Netherlands if necessary and retain permanent residency? Is there a limit to how long he can spend outside the Netherlands on any one trip? I didn't see anything specifically pertaining to losing permanent residency.
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Re: Dual US/Dutch citizenship?
I don't know. It would be best if your son contacts the local IND department to ask about losing permanent residency.
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Re: Dual US/Dutch citizenship?
You will find the answer to your question on the IND website; this link will take you straight there.
Hope this helps. |
Re: Dual US/Dutch citizenship?
I know of a few Dutch people living in the USA that have dual nationality. My son is a student in amsterdam and looked into this as well and came across some stuff that suggested it was possible to maintain other nationalities. I would suggest your son investigate this. I would imagine that becoming an EU citizen will have benefits above that of permanent residency in NL.
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Re: Dual US/Dutch citizenship?
Originally Posted by HannahGreen
(Post 12867539)
My son is currently working in the Netherlands on a highly-skilled migrant visa. He earned his MS in Leiden and can apply for permanent residence in about 2 more years. Sometime after that he can apply for citizenship. His understanding is that he will have to renounce his US citizenship and is not able to be a dual national. Is that right? ....
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Re: Dual US/Dutch citizenship?
Dutch nationality law is based primarily on the principle of jus sanguinis, which I've always interpreted as meaning that you inherit the nationality of your parents at the time of your birth. All my children are dual nationals (UK/NL) because their mother is a Dutch national and we registered their birth with the Dutch Embassy in the country where we lived at the time of their birth - they all have 2 valid passports. There is a useful wiki page which may help at this link.
The only real difference in the Netherlands between permanent residence and nationality is the right to vote in Dutch parliamentary elections - nationals can vote. Hope this helps. |
Re: Dual US/Dutch citizenship?
We have both UK and US citizenship and applied for our Dutch Residence Permits as EUCitizens. These will be exchanged for something else after the UK finalise leaving. We're eligible for Dutch citizenship now and believe that although we would have to renounce our UK citizenship we wouldn’t have to for our American. Why? Because since the US government requires you pay $2,300 and be subject to an exit tax to renounce, the Dutch accept that we will be financially penalized and therefore would grant an exemption.
At then of the day, we'll do what we need to do as the Netherlands is where we want to be now we’re retired. |
Re: Dual US/Dutch citizenship?
Originally Posted by Dizzyp
(Post 12870113)
We have both UK and US citizenship and applied for our Dutch Residence Permits as EUCitizens. These will be exchanged for something else after the UK finalise leaving. We're eligible for Dutch citizenship now and believe that although we would have to renounce our UK citizenship we wouldn’t have to for our American. Why? Because since the US government requires you pay $2,300 and be subject to an exit tax to renounce, the Dutch accept that we will be financially penalized and therefore would grant an exemption.
At then of the day, we'll do what we need to do as the Netherlands is where we want to be now we’re retired. this is also what my son found out. |
Re: Dual US/Dutch citizenship?
Originally Posted by SushiFan
(Post 12867580)
As you already mention, he *can* apply for Dutch citizenship, but he is not forced to do so. Dual nationality is not allowed in the Netherlands (except for a few specific circumstances), so his choice would indeed result in him having to denounce his US citizenship. However, that would be the consequence of his free choice.
Permanent residency is, as the word says, permanent and does not involve renouncing citizenship. For more details you can start reading here: https://ind.nl/en/dutch-citizenship/...alisation.aspx |
Re: Dual US/Dutch citizenship?
Originally Posted by OrangeMango
(Post 12875862)
..... But what about if citizenship is tied to property ownership in another country other than NL, or if it's a tax question in that other country? .....
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Re: Dual US/Dutch citizenship?
Originally Posted by Pulaski
(Post 12875879)
Wouldn't those examples fall under the cost/ penalty exception in the Netherlands? :confused:
Myself I am a citizen of Canada. If I had to give that one up, certain options in life would be gone forever and the time I could spend within Canada plus the things I could do there, like employment would be limited or none at all. I am also a British citizen, which seems the only decent choice, if I ever wanted to return there, and Brexit is fully implemented. Thus I can't give it up either. I also have another citizenship of an EU country which I can't give up as well, as it allows free movement within the EU, plus it's tied to some property I inherited, where citizenship is actually a clear a requirement. Not having these citizenships would certainly offer me certain limitations. Whether that would qualify under exceptions in Dutch law, I don't know. Yes, I understand that the application for Dutch citizenship is completely voluntary, but again, it's nice to have, if one has accumulated the number of years in the country. And in today's times with Corona, and things changing rapidly, citizenship would be a wise investment, but only if I don't have to renounce others. |
Re: Dual US/Dutch citizenship?
Originally Posted by OrangeMango
(Post 12876444)
That's one of the questions many applicants for Dutch citizenship would have and the ruling cost or penalty are not really clearly explained.
Myself I am a citizen of Canada. If I had to give that one up, certain options in life would be gone forever and the time I could spend within Canada plus the things I could do there, like employment would be limited or none at all. I am also a British citizen, which seems the only decent choice, if I ever wanted to return there, and Brexit is fully implemented. Thus I can't give it up either. I also have another citizenship of an EU country which I can't give up as well, as it allows free movement within the EU, plus it's tied to some property I inherited, where citizenship is actually a clear a requirement. Not having these citizenships would certainly offer me certain limitations. Whether that would qualify under exceptions in Dutch law, I don't know. Yes, I understand that the application for Dutch citizenship is completely voluntary, but again, it's nice to have, if one has accumulated the number of years in the country. And in today's times with Corona, and things changing rapidly, citizenship would be a wise investment, but only if I don't have to renounce others. |
Re: Dual US/Dutch citizenship?
Originally Posted by Pulaski
(Post 12876496)
The rules seem fairly clear to me, though some might be a bit fuzzy, but the Dutch rules seem largely focused on financial cost, actual money, and the right to own property etc., and place no significance on you wanting to keep your options open to live and work in another country, such as the UK or Canada.
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