"You vill take your AZ vaccine and you vill like it!!" Colonel Klink
 

Note to the Australian vaccine hesistancy police: not all of us are actually hesitant, we just want to receive the best vaccines available. And the AZ vaccine surely ain't it, for any individual of any age, whether on efficacy or safety grounds..

Not only is there an acknowledged risk of severe blood clots from the AZ vaccine--and note, there have been more deaths in Australia due to those blood clots than to Covid-19 over the past 3 months--but AZ has developed a woeful reputation with US regulators for being 'economical with the truth' in terms of their trial results, on more than one occasion.

Meanwhile, the Australian government has already announced contracts for 25M new doses of a better solution from Moderna (and more doses from Pfizer as well), while at the same time telling us we won't be free to travel abroad until mid-2022 in any case. Make me eligible for a pair of those jabs (either brand), and I'll be first in line.

Re: "You vill take your AZ vaccine and you vill like it!!" Colonel Klink
 

From my own research on AZ and talking to a doctor friend, i reckon that it's okay - and I'm not going to get involved in a debate on it, but there's no question that the government has fumbled the vaccine rollout and has sent multiple mixed messages. It's interesting that the UK totally cocked up their response to Wuhan flu but have smashed their vaccine deployment out of the park - which is the complete opposite to what Australia has done

Re: "You vill take your AZ vaccine and you vill like it!!" Colonel Klink
 

I waiting for the “next wave” so I can sport my “I’d rather be building my immune system” or “Chinese Health Organisation” masks as decreed by our wise overlords.

I’m not so much “Anti Vax” as more “Pro Immune System”.

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"Those blood clots". Are you referring to blood clots suspected to be caused by AZ. Or all blood clots including the many more caused by the contraceptive pill? Please make sure the response is factual otherwise as usual, I will tear false fear mongering to shreds.

I am having my Pfizer tomorrow. I would happily have AZ too. I don't really care, I just want to play my part in herd immunity.

Re: "You vill take your AZ vaccine and you vill like it!!" Colonel Klink
 

Waiting for Pfizer. My specialist and GP said wait.

Re: "You vill take your AZ vaccine and you vill like it!!" Colonel Klink
 

I had my AZ Thursday - all good so far. The sooner we can get vaccinated, the sooner international borders open hopefully.

Re: "You vill take your AZ vaccine and you vill like it!!" Colonel Klink
 

Had my first AZ booked for a couple of weeks ago, but was put on high dose corticosteroids for a health problem and had to cancel. It's not that having the vaccine is more dangerous when taking steroids, it's that high dose steroids = a compromised immune system = an inadequate immune response to the vaccine, so you're not/poorly protected from covid. Can't wait until I'm off the bloody things so I can get my jab.

Re: "You vill take your AZ vaccine and you vill like it!!" Colonel Klink
 

Smart decision, I think. I was supposed to have had mine last week but on the day I cancelled it in favour of waiting for the Pfizer one. My wife's (also ACT based) GP suggested we wait too.

Re: "You vill take your AZ vaccine and you vill like it!!" Colonel Klink
 

Husband and I have both had our first AZ vaccinations, neither of us have had any issues.

Re: "You vill take your AZ vaccine and you vill like it!!" Colonel Klink
 

Agreed.

There's another element to this as well: there are conflicting views (and no comprehensive peer-reviewed studies informing those views) as to what the effect is of mixing different vaccine types, whether from an efficacy or risk perspective. E.g. what is the efficacy and risk profile if one receives an AZ first shot, a Pfizer second shot, and maybe a Moderna booster (the only new-variant booster currently on order by the Australian government, BTW) after that...?

If you start off with AZ, are you stuck with AZ all the way?

The mRNA vaccine vendors (Pfizer and Moderna, so far) seem more likely to keep up with developing variants than traditional vaccine tech vendors like AZ (and Novavax). And *any* vendor will prioritise efficacy and safety studies that test "their" boosters in relation to recipients of "their" original vaccines, leaving 'mix-and-match' studies to follow later, funded by somebody else.

Yet another reason to wait on Pfizer or Moderna options within Australia, for those not immediately eligible for the Pfizer path.

Re: "You vill take your AZ vaccine and you vill like it!!" Colonel Klink
 

Those are my concerns too. Do we submit to this cocktail of vaccines, trusting that those who are making them up as we go along are not doing us and our immune systems harm? Maybe since we're in this very fortunate position compared with nearly everywhere else in the world, we're better off keeping our borders closed much longer to protect our population. Then once the rest of the world has sorted out and been vaccined for all these variants and learned all the lessons there are to be learned we can then submit if we wish, to whatever turns out to be the "catch all" vaccine that is most proven to be safe and effective in the long term.

Re: "You vill take your AZ vaccine and you vill like it!!" Colonel Klink
 

I knew I shouldn't have read this thread because it would annoy me....

I've had my AZ vaccination without a second thought because I wanted to play my part in protecting my community and getting back to a normal life.

Re: "You vill take your AZ vaccine and you vill like it!!" Colonel Klink
 

Exactly .... There are so many things in life which present a far greater risk to one's personal health than the AZ vac. The benefits of getting this done now far outstrip the risk.

Re: "You vill take your AZ vaccine and you vill like it!!" Colonel Klink
 

Why do you need a cocktail? One now one in a few weeks, repeat again next year with undoubtedly altered vaccine and/or different brand.

Do you get the flu shot every year? If so how do you know the version last year was the same this year?

Re: "You vill take your AZ vaccine and you vill like it!!" Colonel Klink
 

My understanding after plenty of research is that there is no issue from receiving multiple types of kung flu vaccines. In fact, according to the CMO and other sources, you may get better immunity

Re: "You vill take your AZ vaccine and you vill like it!!" Colonel Klink
 

Likewise. I want the chance to get out of here and see my family again, and I'm fairly sure that without the vaccine its not going to happen.

Re: "You vill take your AZ vaccine and you vill like it!!" Colonel Klink
 

My wife and I haven't taken the annual flu jabs for years, not since 15 years or so ago when my dad had a severe reaction and nearly died. And strangely, without those annual jabs, I've rarely been ill with flu like symptoms and when I have they have never been bad. By cocktail I mean the C19 jabs which *could* quite easily end up being a string over time of different jabs to cover this or that "mutation". Other than that I have no particular standpoint on the C19 jabs at this moment in time other than my wife and I have decided we don't want the AZ ones.

I have a contact through a third party who is possibly the most knowledgeable authority on the subject here in Australia. I'll have to find out what is his opinion.

Re: "You vill take your AZ vaccine and you vill like it!!" Colonel Klink
 

I think the worst thing the PM could have done is tell us that even with the successful rollout of vaccines, borders are unlikely to open again.

Re: "You vill take your AZ vaccine and you vill like it!!" Colonel Klink
 

He made a tit of himself with that statement so I think you'll find that that might not be the case - remembering that there's an election coming up too

Re: "You vill take your AZ vaccine and you vill like it!!" Colonel Klink
 

Given he needs these borders open, I can only think he is trying to play it down. Given he has no control over the Anti AZ vaxxers, which are going to ruin it for everyone else and are selfishly affecting our ability to plan for open borders, he doesn't want to predict. Also he can't predict how vaccine rollouts are going in other parts of the world either. Anything more than a very conservative estimate would be foolish.

Re: "You vill take your AZ vaccine and you vill like it!!" Colonel Klink
 

Meh, the feds have also told us that borders won't likely be open until mid-2022, and that timeframe corresponds with likely safe (non-quarantined) travel to anywhere I'd want to go by then. Vaccination by Pfizer or Moderna starting in October fits well within that timeframe.

Again, I'm not averse to Covid-19 vaccination. I just see no reason to accept the AZ one, when it isn't the most effective or the safest, and better alternatives exist. Especially so, when future--possibly annual--'booster shots' to handle Covid variants look like plausible future necessities, and the feds have only one candidate for those currently on order -- Moderna's.

Re: "You vill take your AZ vaccine and you vill like it!!" Colonel Klink
 

Nothing is 100% safe. Nor is Covid for that matter. Here is an idea though, put yourself aside for a moment and just get it as part of the big picture of freedom.

Re: "You vill take your AZ vaccine and you vill like it!!" Colonel Klink
 

The freedom to choose which, when and whether to take the vaccine appears to me to be more valuable than this "big picture" of a freedom that is currently being withheld and expected to remain the case for another 12 months or so - whether we accept a vaccine now or not.

Re: "You vill take your AZ vaccine and you vill like it!!" Colonel Klink
 

Given that, I'm surprised you've flipped from AZ to Pfizer, since both that and Moderna carry the anaphylaxis risk

Re: "You vill take your AZ vaccine and you vill like it!!" Colonel Klink
 

You may not be saying that if you lived in Melbourne which given its track record of public control could be plunged into lockdown again this week. With a level of confidence that enough people are immune, such lockdowns can be avoided. Do you really want to wait 12 months to be in the clear of those?

Better put, let's not make it about you, let's make it about everyone. Does everyone want to live in fear of lockdown?

Of course not. Just get vaxxed and play your part.

Re: "You vill take your AZ vaccine and you vill like it!!" Colonel Klink
 

My word. I bet these 2 Queenslanders have had some confusing and conflicting conversations over the past year or so.

https://7news.com.au/lifestyle/healt...ders-c-2920012

Re: "You vill take your AZ vaccine and you vill like it!!" Colonel Klink
 

Indeed. I had a sever reaction to the whooping cough vaccine years ago, anaphylactic shock, had to be given CPR by an ambulance crew, Because of that I have always avoided the flu vaccine, and had to think hard about the COVID one. All the advice was that the risk of anaphylaxis was much greater with Pfizer (Moderna was not about then) so I just went straight for AZ,
As for the blood clot risk, I survived god knows how many years on the pill, and the benefits of getting AZ far outweighed the risk. Second jab in a few weeks,
Then we just wait for his majesty to release us from prison.

Re: "You vill take your AZ vaccine and you vill like it!!" Colonel Klink
 

Beoz is all about "others" copping it to support his view of the "big picture". I vividly recall his negative comments about hesistant teachers last year, when school shutdowns were in debate, and far less was known about the transmission characteristics of the virus.

I've long since put him on "Ignore", and only saw his comment via your reply to it. But I'd be curious to know whether he has ever stated that he's taken the AZ vaccine...it wouldn't surprise me if he hasn't.

Re: "You vill take your AZ vaccine and you vill like it!!" Colonel Klink
 

You aren't supposed to respond someone through someone else if you have someone on ignore. It defeats the purpose.

I will have either vaccine as said. Both have potential side effects. The reward for ALL far out weighs the risk to a few individuals including myself which I am prepared to wear for all. As it so happens, I had my first Pfizer jab yesterday, sore arm and very tired ..... but I contributed. That's what you should be doing. Contributing.

Re: "You vill take your AZ vaccine and you vill like it!!" Colonel Klink
 

4-6 people per 1 million receive a thrombosis after AstraZeneca

Initial reports had Pfizer giving 4.7 people per million anaphylaxis but I believe that has increase quite significantly now.

Blood clots from the contraceptive pill are significantly higher. Light years higher.

This AZ fear mongering reporting needs to stop.

Re: "You vill take your AZ vaccine and you vill like it!!" Colonel Klink
 

Crikey, they all sound dodgy :scaredhair::scarper:

Re: "You vill take your AZ vaccine and you vill like it!!" Colonel Klink
 

The vaccine numbers are timid. Check out peanuts.

PEANUT ALLERGY IS THE SECOND MOST COMMON FOOD ALLERGY
IN CHILDREN AND IS ON THE INCREASE. IT OCCURS IN ABOUT
1 IN 50 CHILDREN AND 1 IN 200 ADULTS. PEANUT IS THE MOST
LIKELY FOOD TO CAUSE ANAPHYLAXIS AND DEATH. IT HAS BEEN
ESTIMATED THAT THERE IS ONE DEATH FOR EVERY 200 EPISODES
OF ANAPHYLAXIS.

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https://cimg8.ibsrv.net/gimg/british...02727ca780.jpg

Re: "You vill take your AZ vaccine and you vill like it!!" Colonel Klink
 

https://cimg7.ibsrv.net/gimg/british...e68bc4a613.jpg

Re: "You vill take your AZ vaccine and you vill like it!!" Colonel Klink
 

This.




Definitely this.



Probably this too. :lol:

Apologies for the visit down under from another part of the world.

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https://cimg6.ibsrv.net/gimg/british...59da06f5ff.jpg

Re: "You vill take your AZ vaccine and you vill like it!!" Colonel Klink
 

You are very welcome, its the only way us outcasts are likely to get visitors for many years to come :D

Re: "You vill take your AZ vaccine and you vill like it!!" Colonel Klink
 

:thumbup: Perspective.

Re: "You vill take your AZ vaccine and you vill like it!!" Colonel Klink
 

Good on you Polly. If anyone has cause to be hesitant about getting a vaccine it's you but you did your research and your own risk analysis based on the facts available. I really hope you can visit your family in the UK soon, feeling stuck is horrible.

Re: "You vill take your AZ vaccine and you vill like it!!" Colonel Klink
 

indeed. Wish more people could see it this way :thumbup: