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Old Aug 26th 2018, 11:49 am
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Originally Posted by ozzieeagle
Plenty of articles along these lines on the net. They are on a mission.

https://www.scmp.com/magazines/post-...ck-take-global
Hold on. You said China will see mass implementation then reference an article about production. Where in the article does it talk about implementation in China?

If you click on the link in the article then there is this.

The McKinsey report said autonomous vehicles will account for 13 per cent of passenger kilometres travelled in the country by 2030,

Now McKinsey often sprout a load of future tosh, but if this ends up being the case then Garry has a lot of work to do. 2030 is a long way off for 13%.

What this actually means is a very slow transformation which is absolutely fine where the doomsayers predict over night mass job losses for drivers.
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Hows your Phones, your TV's and your Android boxes going

Haval will be where Toyota are today in 2 decades and Didi Chuxing will eventually be where Telsa and Uber dreamed of being. Huwaei are now the worlds leading Smart Phone producer.
My smart phone can't kill or maim me

If it moves or has to be eaten and is Chinese, I'm passing
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Hold on. You said China will see mass implementation then reference an article about production. Where in the article does it talk about implementation in China?

If you click on the link in the article then there is this.

The McKinsey report said autonomous vehicles will account for 13 per cent of passenger kilometres travelled in the country by 2030,

Now McKinsey often sprout a load of future tosh, but if this ends up being the case then Garry has a lot of work to do. 2030 is a long way off for 13%.

What this actually means is a very slow transformation which is absolutely fine where the doomsayers predict over night mass job losses for drivers.
https://qz.com/1211522/china-is-pois...-driving-cars/

Try that, there are loads of articles like this, they aim to have one of their 10 million population cities totally automonous by 2025..... God knows which one it was though. .
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Did Chuxing are now the largest ride-sharing service in the world, by the number of trips. This happened in the last 6 months or so. How do you buy shares in this mob, who are set to become one the worlds largest companies,
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Old Aug 26th 2018, 10:02 pm
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Originally Posted by GarryP
So on public roads AND no manual controls AND outside the US ?

Well the first two are practically there in the US (a steering wheel in the front when you are in the back is pretty useless). OK, my guess will be for 2021 for the logical combination, though I'm not going to say which country. Might slip a bit, but no more than 1-2 years.

So in your lifetime, absent any terminal diseases?
We'll see.
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Hold on. You said China will see mass implementation then reference an article about production. Where in the article does it talk about implementation in China?

If you click on the link in the article then there is this.

The McKinsey report said autonomous vehicles will account for 13 per cent of passenger kilometres travelled in the country by 2030,

Now McKinsey often sprout a load of future tosh, but if this ends up being the case then Garry has a lot of work to do. 2030 is a long way off for 13%.

What this actually means is a very slow transformation which is absolutely fine where the doomsayers predict over night mass job losses for drivers.
I found it an interesting article on testing (part of the implementation process). It also makes the prediction that 10% of Chinese car sales in 2030 will be AV.
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Old Aug 27th 2018, 12:01 am
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Not so sure on that. Given a driver in China gets about $20 per week there would be very little return on investment to have the machine do it for you.
The focus on profitability or ROI is not always essential in China. Consider the vast "ghost cities" they have constructed. The Chinese government is pursuing modernization and technological leadership - $20/week taxi drivers are the least of their concerns.
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Did Chuxing are now the largest ride-sharing service in the world, by the number of trips. This happened in the last 6 months or so. How do you buy shares in this mob, who are set to become one the worlds largest companies,
BTW it's "Didi" (not Did). Too early to buy shares as they seem to be privately funded, but if they continue to grow an IPO would give investors a chance to own some shares in that mob. Might have to be through a China fund though, not sure if non-nationals can own Chinese stock?
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$20/week taxi drivers are the least of their concerns.
Actually their taxi drivers get about $176 pw, but it's not the point. First, China wants to own new technologies; any and all new technologies, such the big new multinationals aren't US they are Chinese. Look at the patent situation sometime. And second, autonomous vehicles are a great way of controlling the populous and making sure what they consider undesirables go only where they want. Get in a car for Beijing and end up in Tibet.
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Originally Posted by Shard
BTW it's "Didi" (not Did). Too early to buy shares as they seem to be privately funded, but if they continue to gro. w an IPO would give investors a chance to own some shares in that mob. Might have to be through a China fund though, not sure if non-nationals can own Chinese stock?


Pure Typo, I've been following their progress for 2 years now. They are planning to build Autonomous vehicles themselves.

I currently use their ride share in Melbourne.
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Pure Typo, I've been following their progress for 2 years now. They are planning to build Autonomous vehicles themselves.

I currently use their ride share in Melbourne.
Cool. What's their Melbourne ride share?
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So on public roads AND no manual controls AND outside the US ?

Well the first two are practically there in the US (a steering wheel in the front when you are in the back is pretty useless). OK, my guess will be for 2021 for the logical combination, though I'm not going to say which country. Might slip a bit, but no more than 1-2 years.

So in your lifetime, absent any terminal diseases?
Interestingly I have just read an article in New Scientist about robotics' current progress: it refers to the NTSB's prelim report on the car that killed the pedestrian at night - apparently the brake pedals were programmed to be inoperative when the car was autonomous because "it made the ride more jerky"!
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Cool. What's their Melbourne ride share?
Its just called Didi rider....

https://play.google.com/store/apps/d...obal.passenger
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Thanks. Is Uber in Oz too?
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Thanks. Is Uber in Oz too?
Yes and Ola and Taxify.....same drivers get jobs from all apps, so they register with all 4. However one of the apps generally has a special discount on from time to time.

Uber Pool stops about 300 meters south of us at Bell Street (Which also doubles as Melbournes Hipster proof fence) , Which means I can get a shared ride, with people who are either already in the vehicle or picked up along the way for as little as 6 bucks from the CBD 8ks to the south of us.
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