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Why is Centrelink so awful? (Unanswerable question)

Old Jun 11th 2019, 4:38 am
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Originally Posted by the troubadour View Post
Evidence? Well the ever increasing number of homeless on our city streets. Certainly the case in Perth anyway. But some' insight knowledge' also helps. The vast increase of people seeking support from psychologists and non profit agencies for help with Centre Link is taking up much time would should be used for other things. The difficulties to obtain Disability Support payment for those with even severe illness is both stressful for the applicant and time consuming for the advocate. A quick search will show numbers breached are at record levels. AS I wrote previously, those hit are New start claimants and those in need of disability payments in particularly. Those seeking Aged Pensions and Child benefit entitlements will most likely not be more than inconvenienced through the bureaucratic process rather than vilified or suspended of payment which can lead to grave consequences.
What should I type into google "breaching of New Start claimants"?

It would be far more convincing if you could post us some stats.
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Old Jun 11th 2019, 5:00 am
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Default Re: Why is Centrelink so awful? (Unanswerable question)

Originally Posted by the troubadour View Post
Evidence? Well the ever increasing number of homeless on our city streets. Certainly the case in Perth anyway. But some' insight knowledge' also helps. The vast increase of people seeking support from psychologists and non profit agencies for help with Centre Link is taking up much time would should be used for other things. The difficulties to obtain Disability Support payment for those with even severe illness is both stressful for the applicant and time consuming for the advocate. A quick search will show numbers breached are at record levels. AS I wrote previously, those hit are New start claimants and those in need of disability payments in particularly. Those seeking Aged Pensions and Child benefit entitlements will most likely not be more than inconvenienced through the bureaucratic process rather than vilified or suspended of payment which can lead to grave consequences.
Lots of people I know work in the Mental health area and homeless area. In fact, one of my friends is the general manager of Oznam house.... That Homelessness you are seeing is more of a mental health issue than anything else.

There is plenty of accom, but it's rendered unpalatable by the people that reside there by many that have to take that option. Lots of standover for goods, cigarettes, pension money, and drugs etc. Plus many being vulnerable they barely have the skills to ask for food, let alone defend themselves against the many predators that live in this community. Hence it's better for some of them, safer even, to be on the streets than in the accommodation. There is also a pecentage that prefer to be on the streets than in the emergency accomodation, more than you would imagine.

It's very sad.

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Old Jun 17th 2019, 12:12 pm
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Lots of people I know work in the Mental health area and homeless area. In fact, one of my friends is the general manager of Oznam house.... That Homelessness you are seeing is more of a mental health issue than anything else.

There is plenty of accom, but it's rendered unpalatable by the people that reside there by many that have to take that option. Lots of standover for goods, cigarettes, pension money, and drugs etc. Plus many being vulnerable they barely have the skills to ask for food, let alone defend themselves against the many predators that live in this community. Hence it's better for some of them, safer even, to be on the streets than in the accommodation. There is also a pecentage that prefer to be on the streets than in the emergency accomodation, more than you would imagine.

It's very sad.
It is worth considering also the expansion in breath of the mental health area. It has become something of an industry in itself. Not denying more people are unable to manage at so termed 'modern life' which goes somewhat against the norms of what once passed as everyday living, but has become also an area to place people too difficult to fit into the traditional system under attack by cut backs and bureaucratic procedure. No wonder the proliferation of psychologists in the workplace as more within the ranks of the middleclass are finding it difficult to cope. What you refer to are the most vulnerable who have never had it easy, just less so today . I know of homeless facilities here in Perth with limited periods one can stay. Another revolving door with various agencies passing the buck between each other with little clear outcome at the end of the day.
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Old Jun 17th 2019, 12:16 pm
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What should I type into google "breaching of New Start claimants"?

It would be far more convincing if you could post us some stats.
No reason then just maintain your ideological rhetoric, staying ignorant in the process.
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Old Jun 18th 2019, 12:07 am
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Default Re: Why is Centrelink so awful? (Unanswerable question)

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It is worth considering also the expansion in breath of the mental health area. It has become something of an industry in itself. Not denying more people are unable to manage at so termed 'modern life' which goes somewhat against the norms of what once passed as everyday living, but has become also an area to place people too difficult to fit into the traditional system under attack by cut backs and bureaucratic procedure. No wonder the proliferation of psychologists in the workplace as more within the ranks of the middleclass are finding it difficult to cope. What you refer to are the most vulnerable who have never had it easy, just less so today . I know of homeless facilities here in Perth with limited periods one can stay. Another revolving door with various agencies passing the buck between each other with little clear outcome at the end of the day.
I saw homeless people in Marienplatz in Munich

Looks like the homeless facilities there are not working
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Old Jun 18th 2019, 8:36 am
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No reason then just maintain your ideological rhetoric, staying ignorant in the process.
Go on. Post some evidence to reclaim some respect.
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Old Jun 20th 2019, 3:40 am
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Go on. Post some evidence to reclaim some respect.
Reclaim respect from the likes of you? Now that would a laugh from someone cheering on at every opportunity the declining fortunes of this country.
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Old Jun 20th 2019, 3:54 am
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I saw homeless people in Marienplatz in Munich

Looks like the homeless facilities there are not working
Plenty of homeless around certain metro stations in Paris as well. Hamburg has plenty as well. I could give you the reasons for that but not the thread. What I refer to is the of course, although don't bother yourself too much about it, is the penalising of people of New Start payments, termed breaching, simply by a wrong call of a computer, or the most thin border line cases in order to meet targets. While it doesn't concern many on here most likely, it is an unfortunate to say the least example of how the country is going. Still thinking Australia has the second best health system in the world. You might well find the bills astounding when start to roll in, if suffering a major illness regardless of if on private heath care or not.
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Default Re: Why is Centrelink so awful? (Unanswerable question)

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Plenty of homeless around certain metro stations in Paris as well. Hamburg has plenty as well. I could give you the reasons for that but not the thread. What I refer to is the of course, although don't bother yourself too much about it, is the penalising of people of New Start payments, termed breaching, simply by a wrong call of a computer, or the most thin border line cases in order to meet targets. While it doesn't concern many on here most likely, it is an unfortunate to say the least example of how the country is going. Still thinking Australia has the second best health system in the world. You might well find the bills astounding when start to roll in, if suffering a major illness regardless of if on private heath care or not.
So, there's homeless people all over the western world - always has been, always will be - despite how much money is thrown at the issue

How much money is Australia spending on welfare? A f**k ton basically. Welfare needs to be about bare bones survival, keeping the wolf from the door - not a lifestyle choice. Australia has got it just about right - apart from Aboriginal welfare, which is massively overgenerous

The 2nd best health system angle is not my opinion, so it's not what I 'think'. Medicare works very well in my experience. We have access to truly world-class hospitals that are free at point of use. We may have to pay some fees for ancillary services but the stuff is covered by taxpayer - awesome. The UK model of everything free, for everyone, forever is doomed to failure eventually - the socialist UK government that introduced it was told this in 1945 but chose to ignore it. That country will have to learn this the hard way unfortunately. Ultimately, if you live in most western countries, your health outcomes are pretty good - but you know that but saying so doesn't fit in with your BE agenda. Bizarre but there it is
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Reclaim respect from the likes of you? Now that would a laugh from someone cheering on at every opportunity the declining fortunes of this country.
Fortunes are self made. If you are waiting for someone else to give you yours, it's not going to happen. The age of entitlement is over.
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