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fraser Jul 19th 2009 8:53 pm
Re: Who's going to win The Ashes?
 
Originally Posted by papilon (Post 7767297)
Well if the Ozzies get over the line on this one all i can say is fair play to them as that would probably go down as one of the greatest wins in test history, Two tests and both have been exciting and dramatic, lots of drama, looks like its shaping up to a repeat of 2005. Its going to be a fun night, its never been easy being an english cricket fan, especialy against the aussies, its a shame England havnt been more competative when the ashes are played down here.
True if they win, you'd have to say well done, but also Strauss would need to shoulder some blame for not enforcing the follow on.

I haven't once had an Aussie mention the cricket to me so far this series, they're not into it and really don't care, I'm sure this will change should they win.

Broad Shoulders Jul 19th 2009 8:54 pm
Re: Who's going to win The Ashes?
 
Originally Posted by papilon (Post 7767297)
Well if the Ozzies get over the line on this one all i can say is fair play to them as that would probably go down as one of the greatest wins in test history, Two tests and both have been exciting and dramatic, lots of drama, looks like its shaping up to a repeat of 2005. Its going to be a fun night, its never been easy being an english cricket fan, especialy against the aussies, its a shame England havnt been more competative when the ashes are played down here.
to be fair to us though, I cannot remember the last time England brought out a first choice uninjured 11 to Aus. The last 3 tours at least have all been injury ridden. It's hard to expect us to be competitive in those circumstances

Broad Shoulders Jul 19th 2009 8:58 pm
Re: Who's going to win The Ashes?
 
Originally Posted by fraser (Post 7767305)
True if they win, you'd have to say well done, but also Strauss would need to shoulder some blame for not enforcing the follow on.

I haven't once had an Aussie mention the cricket to me so far this series, they're not into it and really don't care, I'm sure this will change should they win.
I can't see how Strauss would be to blame. I still believe he made a 100% right choice in not enforcing it. The day we batted in our 2nd innings was beautiful conditions for batting, as much as yesterday was beautiful conditions to bowl. Strauss set a world record target, which you would expect 99/100 for the chasing team not to get. If the Aussies get it it is because of grit and determination from their lower order (and Clarke). I think he played the odds and short of a freakish run chase we should win

fraser Jul 19th 2009 9:08 pm
Re: Who's going to win The Ashes?
 
Originally Posted by Broad Shoulders (Post 7767312)
I can't see how Strauss would be to blame. I still believe he made a 100% right choice in not enforcing it. The day we batted in our 2nd innings was beautiful conditions for batting, as much as yesterday was beautiful conditions to bowl. Strauss set a world record target, which you would expect 99/100 for the chasing team not to get. If the Aussies get it it is because of grit and determination from their lower order (and Clarke). I think he played the odds and short of a freakish run chase we should win
At the end of the day he lives by results, if we win he deserves the credit if we lose then it wasn't the right decision on a pitch that Sri Lanka batted for 200 overs on Australia batting that long will get the target.

Broad Shoulders Jul 19th 2009 9:13 pm
Re: Who's going to win The Ashes?
 
Originally Posted by fraser (Post 7767334)
At the end of the day he lives by results, if we win he deserves the credit if we lose then it wasn't the right decision on a pitch that Sri Lanka batted for 200 overs on Australia batting that long will get the target.
yeah but that is with the benefit of hindsight.
If he had enforced the follow on there was a fair chance given the conditions that the Aussie batsmen would have righted their mistakes from the first innings and posted a very hefty score and potentially leaving us to bat in overcast conditions. Remember when Strauss turned down the follow on the forecast for Sunday and Monday was over cast and rain. If we win this test, I would not put it down to us not declaring, I would put it down to field placings being spot on, disciplined bowling and focused batting from some of our batsmen. If we lose I would put it down to us not being able to apply the stranglehold necessary.
Remember, very few captains enforce the follow on these days, especially since what happened to Australia in India several years ago

papilon Jul 19th 2009 9:19 pm
Re: Who's going to win The Ashes?
 
I haven't once had an Aussie mention the cricket to me so far this series, they're not into it and really don't care, I'm sure this will change should they win.[/QUOTE]


Agree with you on that one, most of the guys i meet at work dont seem to care about cricket wich suprises me as i remember when i was out here 20 years ago cricket was a big deal, that was up in Sydney so maybe its different up there, Melbourne doesnt seem to bothered, apart from the boxing day test.

papilon Jul 19th 2009 9:23 pm
Re: Who's going to win The Ashes?
 
Originally Posted by Broad Shoulders (Post 7767341)
yeah but that is with the benefit of hindsight.
If he had enforced the follow on there was a fair chance given the conditions that the Aussie batsmen would have righted their mistakes from the first innings and posted a very hefty score and potentially leaving us to bat in overcast conditions. Remember when Strauss turned down the follow on the forecast for Sunday and Monday was over cast and rain. If we win this test, I would not put it down to us not declaring, I would put it down to field placings being spot on, disciplined bowling and focused batting from some of our batsmen. If we lose I would put it down to us not being able to apply the stranglehold necessary.
Remember, very few captains enforce the follow on these days, especially since what happened to Australia in India several years ago
Fair enough, but maybe we should have had a quick smash first thing yesterday morning, maybe an extra 20-30 runs.

dodge26 Jul 19th 2009 9:40 pm
Re: Who's going to win The Ashes?
 
Originally Posted by papilon (Post 7767357)
Fair enough, but maybe we should have had a quick smash first thing yesterday morning, maybe an extra 20-30 runs.
Is it possible the aussies can win this test, england only need a wicket and there belief will be shattered. Remember alot of runs to be scored yet in a chase that has never been done...

fraser Jul 19th 2009 9:42 pm
Re: Who's going to win The Ashes?
 
Originally Posted by papilon (Post 7767351)

Agree with you on that one, most of the guys i meet at work dont seem to care about cricket wich suprises me as i remember when i was out here 20 years ago cricket was a big deal, that was up in Sydney so maybe its different up there, Melbourne doesnt seem to bothered, apart from the boxing day test.
Oh there into it, I've been here for 3 previous ashes series (once on holiday) when we're losing they all talk about it, when we're not they're just not interested I'm also in Melbourne.

Originally Posted by papilon (Post 7767357)
Fair enough, but maybe we should have had a quick smash first thing yesterday morning, maybe an extra 20-30 runs.
We should have batted for a few overs played mind games with them.

Vash the Stampede Jul 19th 2009 10:09 pm
Re: Who's going to win The Ashes?
 
Haddin's gone. 6 for 313. All over now.

papilon Jul 19th 2009 10:13 pm
Re: Who's going to win The Ashes?
 
Originally Posted by Vash the Stampede (Post 7767445)
Haddin's gone. 6 for 313. All over now.
Ye of little faith:D

dodge26 Jul 19th 2009 11:08 pm
Re: Who's going to win The Ashes?
 
Originally Posted by papilon (Post 7767458)
Ye of little faith:D
It really is over now:thumbsup:

Vash the Stampede Jul 19th 2009 11:40 pm
Re: Who's going to win The Ashes?
 
Well, my prediction is right on target: England to win by at least 100.

husaing Jul 19th 2009 11:48 pm
Re: Who's going to win The Ashes?
 
Swann to Johnson, out Bowled!! All over as Eng win against Aus in a Test for the first time at Lord's since 1934! Johnson comes down the track, he has to go for it, it was fired in flat and fast on the stumps, he plays all around it and the middle stump is flattened, everyone go mad in the ground, Eng win 115 runs to go 1-0 up with 3 to play. Johnson b Swann 63(75) [4s-9]
Is Swann in your Dream11?


106.6 Swann to Johnson, THATS OUT!! Bowled!!

Broad Shoulders Jul 19th 2009 11:50 pm
Re: Who's going to win The Ashes?
 
Freddie F#$kin Flintoff you legend!

Weldone to Swann too. Will be interesting to see who gets MOM. My money is on Strauss as his innings is what set up this win


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