Whooping cough
#17
Re: Whooping cough
It's similar but not it. I know it's been completed though.
The Pre-term one once again draws on the lack of conclusive and good data, though I don't know if I'm reading the conclusion right... It would be a very difficult study ... Whilst babies may die anyway of 'SIDS', no-one truly knows if they still would have died without the immunisation prior or not. It's ok to say that 'statistically' it would have happened anyway. I would personally like to see more conclusive evidence than just 'statistically your child wasn't going to make it anyway'. There should be better evidence offered than this.
The Pre-term one once again draws on the lack of conclusive and good data, though I don't know if I'm reading the conclusion right... It would be a very difficult study ... Whilst babies may die anyway of 'SIDS', no-one truly knows if they still would have died without the immunisation prior or not. It's ok to say that 'statistically' it would have happened anyway. I would personally like to see more conclusive evidence than just 'statistically your child wasn't going to make it anyway'. There should be better evidence offered than this.
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Re: Whooping cough
My son had Whooping Cough last year, and had it right through his TEE exams.
He was really sick, but somehow managed to pass his exams through all the coughing and choking. Nearly gave the exam moderator a heart attack several times though while he was chocking
(He somehow got a very good TEE score)
The whole family had to have antibiotics. Got a phone call and told to come and collect prescriptions from a health clinic!
Luckily I recognised the cough straight away so think the rest of us were ok.
The doctor told us that it doesnt matter if you have had the vaccination you can still catch it. You may be lucky and have a milder form of it.
Gems
He was really sick, but somehow managed to pass his exams through all the coughing and choking. Nearly gave the exam moderator a heart attack several times though while he was chocking
(He somehow got a very good TEE score)
The whole family had to have antibiotics. Got a phone call and told to come and collect prescriptions from a health clinic!
Luckily I recognised the cough straight away so think the rest of us were ok.
The doctor told us that it doesnt matter if you have had the vaccination you can still catch it. You may be lucky and have a milder form of it.
Gems
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Re: Whooping cough
The pertussis vaccine is only around 54% - 68% effective when given. So just over half all children vaccinated with it will actually develop an immunity to whooping cough. Immunity is quite often incomplete even after immunisation.
Pertussis is also considered a superbug in some countries, which is resistant to antibiotics.
'A study published in the Journal of Paediatrics indicates the pertussis vaccine may only be 40-45% effective and immunity is not sustained. In 1986, 1300 cases were reported in Kansas. Of the patients with known vaccination status, 90% were adequately vaccinated. In 1993 an outbreak of pertussis in Ohio, 82% of younger children stricken had received regular doses of the vaccine.'
There's also a suspected link between SIDS and the DTP vaccine.
Quoll, all vaccinated and un-vaccinated babies are at risk of Pertussis. Perhaps it might be better to not blame.
Pertussis is also considered a superbug in some countries, which is resistant to antibiotics.
'A study published in the Journal of Paediatrics indicates the pertussis vaccine may only be 40-45% effective and immunity is not sustained. In 1986, 1300 cases were reported in Kansas. Of the patients with known vaccination status, 90% were adequately vaccinated. In 1993 an outbreak of pertussis in Ohio, 82% of younger children stricken had received regular doses of the vaccine.'
There's also a suspected link between SIDS and the DTP vaccine.
Quoll, all vaccinated and un-vaccinated babies are at risk of Pertussis. Perhaps it might be better to not blame.
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Re: Whooping cough
And (although its controversial) in that case maybe best not to vaccinate? In my case I am so glad its a decision I will never have to make - risk the baby getting whooping cough and dying from it, or risk the baby reacting similar to the way I did and dying of the vaccine. (shudders)
I know that the gvt has a vaccination compensation scheme which pays out to children who have been affected by vaccinations so it is possible to be harmed by them and the medical side acknowledges that.
I would never say 'do not vaccinate' and I think it's up to the parent to make an informed decision by educating themselves as much as possible by reading the research.
I believe the accepted wisdom is that vaccination is good 'as a whole' for the population but within that, there will be deaths from reactions and that is a given.
I think any parent now has such a hard job deciding what to do. Vaccination is shown to be protective to us.
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I really don't know Polly. I know that there are many parents who have horror stories of having their child die within hours of vaccinations and others who breeze through it without a blink.
I know that the gvt has a vaccination compensation scheme which pays out to children who have been affected by vaccinations so it is possible to be harmed by them and the medical side acknowledges that.
I would never say 'do not vaccinate' and I think it's up to the parent to make an informed decision by educating themselves as much as possible by reading the research.
I believe the accepted wisdom is that vaccination is good 'as a whole' for the population but within that, there will be deaths from reactions and that is a given.
I think any parent now has such a hard job deciding what to do. Vaccination is shown to be protective to us.
I know that the gvt has a vaccination compensation scheme which pays out to children who have been affected by vaccinations so it is possible to be harmed by them and the medical side acknowledges that.
I would never say 'do not vaccinate' and I think it's up to the parent to make an informed decision by educating themselves as much as possible by reading the research.
I believe the accepted wisdom is that vaccination is good 'as a whole' for the population but within that, there will be deaths from reactions and that is a given.
I think any parent now has such a hard job deciding what to do. Vaccination is shown to be protective to us.
I know its a copout, bit I don't know whether I would be prepared to vaccinate a child of mine - and fortunately its not something I have to think about
#23
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I did acknowledge that at the beginning of the thread! But I have to say, it's all been quite peaceful and friendly...........Everyone has experiences and opinions and that's what makes it interesting to discuss. Some of the posts have made me think about the subject more, in a less one sided way which can only be a good thing.
#26
Re: Whooping cough
I had whooping cough as a child - pre-vaccination times.
A few months ago I went for a tetanus booster and my doctor advised I get the vaccine for whooping cough at the same time (combined jab). I did.
I would just like to say that I know more people my age who have had polio, before vaccination was available, than I know to have had bad reactions to inoculations. I don't think many people would really like to live in a world without vaccination. My brother has almost no sight in one eye as a result of measles. My parent's generation had to contend with diptheria as well.
Would you really like it if everyone exercised their right not to be vaccinated?
A few months ago I went for a tetanus booster and my doctor advised I get the vaccine for whooping cough at the same time (combined jab). I did.
I would just like to say that I know more people my age who have had polio, before vaccination was available, than I know to have had bad reactions to inoculations. I don't think many people would really like to live in a world without vaccination. My brother has almost no sight in one eye as a result of measles. My parent's generation had to contend with diptheria as well.
Would you really like it if everyone exercised their right not to be vaccinated?
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Re: Whooping cough
I did acknowledge that at the beginning of the thread! But I have to say, it's all been quite peaceful and friendly...........Everyone has experiences and opinions and that's what makes it interesting to discuss. Some of the posts have made me think about the subject more, in a less one sided way which can only be a good thing.
I am not anti vac but I am cautious. My eldest has been fully vac'd with quite horrible temps and screaming/crying for hours, my middle daughter had horrible reaction to the first and the doc said 'don't have another' and the youngest was born in difficult circs and then had meningitis, and the doc told me to put off vacs as long as I could for him... Ironically, all three get sick with the same thing but in very different ways. I don't know if this is to do with the rate of vacs or just their biological differences/the virus changing... or not but it's interesting.
If you do have a child that is not vac'd then you have to be uber vigilant and keep an eye on everything and I have always been very careful.
The eldest had whooping cough (she was immunised) and I spent nights in the bathroom steaming it up. It wasn't too bad though.
The others have never had it and nor are they immune to it. I suspect the two older have had measles anyway and would be immune from the actual disease.. and scarlet fever.
Now my kids are older, I will ensure they all have german measles vac, esp the girls, for obvious reasons and the others they will need.
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Re: Whooping cough
TiddlyPom, there doesn't seem to be articles published yet on that article you mentioned. Have you done a search on PubMed? You can search for articles and get abstracts, but to pay for articles that you want http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed. If there is something in particular that interests you, let me know. The Cochrane Library is another place to look http://www.cochrane.org/.
#29
Re: Whooping cough
Its a very emotive interesting discussion. However as there are so many nasty superbugs appearing these days with antibiotic resistance I wonder what will happen in the future if many are not vaccinated.
My daughter has many health problems and is allergic to penicillin so for people like her its a real problem.
Do we vaccinate for the good of all, or just think of ourselves that is the question.
Being older the nasties were still around when I was a child and a lot of polio and diphtheria, measles etc and a lot of young ones died of these things. Being born at the right time gave me immunisation. Measles can affect the heart and leave people with life long problems.
Taking smallpox for example its not around any more and that is due to vaccination.
We have to remember on trains and boats and planes we do not know what the stranger nearby is sufferring from.
My daughter has many health problems and is allergic to penicillin so for people like her its a real problem.
Do we vaccinate for the good of all, or just think of ourselves that is the question.
Being older the nasties were still around when I was a child and a lot of polio and diphtheria, measles etc and a lot of young ones died of these things. Being born at the right time gave me immunisation. Measles can affect the heart and leave people with life long problems.
Taking smallpox for example its not around any more and that is due to vaccination.
We have to remember on trains and boats and planes we do not know what the stranger nearby is sufferring from.
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Re: Whooping cough
You have a FAR HIGHER chance of being injured or killed in a car accident than you do from a vaccination, yet I don't see all these anti-vaxers scared of popping their kids in the car and driving every day...
Vaccines are of the biggest leaps forward mankind has ever made in medical science and had basically eradicated diseases like Polio and Measles...until the recent surge in refusals of them in the mistaken belief that the diseases are no longer a threat!
Vaccines are of the biggest leaps forward mankind has ever made in medical science and had basically eradicated diseases like Polio and Measles...until the recent surge in refusals of them in the mistaken belief that the diseases are no longer a threat!