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WARNING FOR BRICKLAYERS
If you intend to come to australia as a bricklayer, realise these few things:-
1. you will get no respect and be treated as a second class citizen you will probably be name called and disrespected get used to it. 2. if you work in regional australia be prepared to be employed by two faced people who are un-educated and employers who talk amongst themselves but hate each other 3. do not try and work to british standard it is void here 4. do not try and do things properly as this will scare them... simple fact is Australian Bricklayers are not a nice bunch of people, so if you intend to work in this field takle this as a warning. |
Re: WARNING FOR BRICKLAYERS
That's your opinion/experience though. Plenty others have different.
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Re: WARNING FOR BRICKLAYERS
Originally Posted by lilly07
(Post 8685567)
If you intend to come to australia as a bricklayer, realise these few things:-
1. you will get no respect and be treated as a second class citizen you will probably be name called and disrespected get used to it. 2. if you work in regional australia be prepared to be employed by two faced people who are un-educated and employers who talk amongst themselves but hate each other 3. do not try and work to british standard it is void here 4. do not try and do things properly as this will scare them... simple fact is Australian Bricklayers are not a nice bunch of people, so if you intend to work in this field takle this as a warning. |
Re: WARNING FOR BRICKLAYERS
Originally Posted by lilly07
(Post 8685567)
If you intend to come to australia as a bricklayer, realise these few things:-
1. you will get no respect and be treated as a second class citizen you will probably be name called and disrespected get used to it. 2. if you work in regional australia be prepared to be employed by two faced people who are un-educated and employers who talk amongst themselves but hate each other 3. do not try and work to british standard it is void here 4. do not try and do things properly as this will scare them... simple fact is Australian Bricklayers are not a nice bunch of people, so if you intend to work in this field takle this as a warning. |
Re: WARNING FOR BRICKLAYERS
the thing is if you come to oz thinking it will all be lovely then your in for a shock, if we had got to read a few pros and CONs we would have realised that, but on this forum it seems the CONS are sometimes hidden.
You just have to be aware that in regional oz people stick together and they are anti immigrants a lot of the time, or they fear the people who may know more than them... most tradies have done there trade since 15 not completing education/schooling so are quite stupid in 80% (ok all of them lol).. they know the oz way of doing stuff which quite franklly is sub standard and I challenge anyone to say the methods here are any good. They hate to be told a better way of doing stuff, they love to Lord over people gives them a power trip... I say 80% because 20% are ok... I have found 1 thats ok ... take the vetassess but dont fear coming here when you have done that test as the methods used in the test itself are not used here, its very slap dash... I love australia just hate the work ethics... ooops there are none. |
Re: WARNING FOR BRICKLAYERS
Originally Posted by lilly07
(Post 8685633)
the thing is if you come to oz thinking it will all be lovely then your in for a shock, if we had got to read a few pros and CONs we would have realised that, but on this forum it seems the CONS are sometimes hidden.
I guess it shows we all tend to just read the posts that tell us what we want to hear at the time...... I do know that Jad n Rich, amongst othetrs, have posted a lot of VERY down to earth facts about the various building trades over here - even though they usually get shouted down for it. |
Re: WARNING FOR BRICKLAYERS
It's pretty common in construction, in my experience it's go with the flow or become very frustrated. We all have the same gripes regarding house build quality and this is why, the railway is the same take it from me. I think you've just got to chill and accept things, or set up your own company, then you'll be able to work to your own standards:)
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Re: WARNING FOR BRICKLAYERS
Son is a Bricklayers apprentice in SA. He loves his job! He started off with a couple of Brits who took the P!ss big time.... Worked for 6.30am til 4.30pm with 1/2hr lunch and was only ever allowed to book til 3.30... never paid him a bonus and made him do all the donkey work by himself... this included setting up the scaffold, Then went bonkers at him if he didn't get it quite right:(
He worked hard, was always on time and never took one day sick, in fact didn't even have his holidays. His wages were due to go up at the end of his first year and all of sudden they'd got no work:blink: Luckily they were just a host company, masterbuilders found him some temporary host, and low and behold by the end of the week the Aussie brickies were on the phone begging to have him fulltime! They're much nicer, work normal hours and they share all of the work meaning that he gets to lay bricks everyday.... my boy is as happy as a the proverbial pig in poo! Everyone's experience in Australia is unique and it's down to the individuals that you work with that leave you with a lasting impression. As far as my son is concerned the Brits were a bunch of Wan***s, he'd much prefer to work with the Aussies! |
Re: WARNING FOR BRICKLAYERS
I'd like to warn any Polish bricklayers too...
If you intend to come to England as a bricklayer, realise these few things:- 1. you will get no respect and be treated as a second class citizen you will probably be name called and disrespected get used to it. 2. if you work in England be prepared to be employed by two faced people who are un-educated and employers who talk amongst themselves but hate each other 3. do not try and work to any standard it is void here 4. do not try and do things properly as this will scare them... simple fact is English Bricklayers are not a nice bunch of people, so if you intend to work in this field takle this as a warning. __________________ |
Re: WARNING FOR BRICKLAYERS
Originally Posted by >Trigger<
(Post 8685687)
I'd like to warn any Polish bricklayers too...
If you intend to come to England as a bricklayer, realise these few things:- 1. you will get no respect and be treated as a second class citizen you will probably be name called and disrespected get used to it. 2. if you work in England be prepared to be employed by two faced people who are un-educated and employers who talk amongst themselves but hate each other 3. do not try and work to any standard it is void here 4. do not try and do things properly as this will scare them... simple fact is English Bricklayers are not a nice bunch of people, so if you intend to work in this field takle this as a warning. __________________ |
Re: WARNING FOR BRICKLAYERS
Originally Posted by lilly07
(Post 8685567)
If you intend to come to australia as a bricklayer, realise these few things:-
1. you will get no respect and be treated as a second class citizen you will probably be name called and disrespected get used to it. 2. if you work in regional australia be prepared to be employed by two faced people who are un-educated and employers who talk amongst themselves but hate each other 3. do not try and work to british standard it is void here 4. do not try and do things properly as this will scare them... simple fact is Australian Bricklayers are not a nice bunch of people, so if you intend to work in this field takle this as a warning. I don't doubt your experiences for a moment. The tone of your post would be enough to irk me if I was an Aussie tradie. Have you tried just getting on with the job instead of constantly banging on about poor standards & how much better they do things in the UK? The last bloke I met that was having similar experiences to you did exactly that. All day long it was "We don't do it like that in the U.K" or "You'd never get away with that in the U.K" not forgetting the old classic 'Arry Enfield's "You don't wanna do it like that" He was so unhappy they upped sticks & went home where he was "respected" Sure standards are lower here & there are many rough tradies about. What annoys them the most is having it rammed down their throats that they're doing it wrong. We immigrant tradies need to learn to adapt to their way of doing things not vice versa. It takes a while to become as rough as an Aussie tradie, it can be done if you have the patience & the time ......off for surfing, sickies, sports etc. etc. |
Re: WARNING FOR BRICKLAYERS
Originally Posted by stevenglish
(Post 8685675)
It's pretty common in construction, in my experience it's go with the flow or become very frustrated. We all have the same gripes regarding house build quality and this is why, the railway is the same take it from me. I think you've just got to chill and accept things, or set up your own company, then you'll be able to work to your own standards:)
Can you imagine the other way around though, that if every person from a certain country told you continuously, "There are better ways of doing things". I think that these builders expect to hear this from UK people and build up a resistance. For instance why do we need British standards in Aus... even if they are better ? Thats not to take away from the OP's feelings, I do think its part of a horrible and steep learning curve. Probably better of in a Big City, where these things are diluted by having lots of different people around to mix with. |
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:scaredhair::scaredhair:
Blimey Cresta and myself in Full agreement mode, thats a first lol ! I do think UK people are their own worst enemies when it comes to this sort of stuff. They are definitely known across the whole of Aus... even compliant accepting worldly Melbourne. For telling people how to do things better.
Originally Posted by cresta57
(Post 8685703)
I don't doubt your experiences for a moment. The tone of your post would be enough to irk me if I was an Aussie tradie. Have you tried just getting on with the job instead of constantly banging on about poor standards & how much better they do things in the UK?
The last bloke I met that was having similar experiences to you did exactly that. All day long it was "We don't do it like that in the U.K" or "You'd never get away with that in the U.K" not forgetting the old classic 'Arry Enfield's "You don't wanna do it like that" He was so unhappy they upped sticks & went home where he was "respected" Sure standards are lower here & there are many rough tradies about. What annoys them the most is having it rammed down their throats that they're doing it wrong. We immigrant tradies need to learn to adapt to their way of doing things not vice versa. It takes a while to become as rough as an Aussie tradie, it can be done if you have the patience & the time ......off for surfing, sickies, sports etc. etc. |
Re: WARNING FOR BRICKLAYERS
Originally Posted by stevenglish
(Post 8685675)
It's pretty common in construction, in my experience it's go with the flow or become very frustrated. We all have the same gripes regarding house build quality and this is why, the railway is the same take it from me. I think you've just got to chill and accept things, or set up your own company, then you'll be able to work to your own standards:)
I chose to set up on my own exactly as you suggested. My standards are as high as they were in the U.K, well maybe not quite:ohmy: My benchmark is if I wouldn't be happy with it my own house it's not good enough for someone else's:cool: |
Re: WARNING FOR BRICKLAYERS
Originally Posted by ozzieeagle
(Post 8685707)
Sounds like really good advice. I fully accept and realise the OP is probably 100 pct correct about this. It's probably even worse in regional centers.
Can you imagine the other way around though, that if every person from a certain country told you continuously, "There are better ways of doing things". I think that these builders expect to hear this from UK people and build up a resistance. For instance why do we need British standards in Aus... even if they are better ? Thats not to take away from the OP's feelings, I do think its part of a horrible and steep learning curve. Probably better of in a Big City, where these things are diluted by having lots of different people around to mix with. You have to think, 'I'm here cos the Aussies think I got what it takes to learn their ways' not ' I'm here to show em how it's done' |
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