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Re: WA driver attitudes
Another thing I don't get is overloaded cars here. Why is it allowed that you can take more people in your car than you have seatbelts for, as long as all seatbelts are being used?
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Re: WA driver attitudes
Originally Posted by johnnyx0
(Post 7671733)
Another thing I don't get is overloaded cars here. Why is it allowed that you can take more people in your car than you have seatbelts for, as long as all seatbelts are being used?
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Re: WA driver attitudes
Originally Posted by johnnyx0
(Post 7671631)
I don't get the whole P-plate thing. If someone has passed their test then they should be able to drive just as good as anyone else. Saying that they're on P-plates for two years, just confirms to them that they're not that skilled yet and allowed to make mistakes, and be an idiot. Also this means that everyone else on the road can give the P-platers abuse.
Most people come through driving school at an age where although they are on the edge of adulthood are not really that adult, and they do start earlier here, 15(?) in some states as the Australian infrastructure requires it. The P plate system acknowledges that here as does the more recent, equivalent system in the UK. It was only 20 years ago when all you did in the Uk was take 10 lessons, a driving test and answer a few questions from a book the examiner presented. Within a few years in the 90s, they had added parking, three-point turn, a sit-down test...probabationary precautions. |
Re: WA driver attitudes
Originally Posted by The_Wookie
(Post 7657848)
I miss my motorbike and riding so much, but there's absolutely no way I'd get one here in Perth.
Before moving out here I joined up with a Perth bikers forum, as I had intended to buy a bike when here. But in the time I've been a member, which is around 2 years, there have been numerous members killed in accidents and there is an accident reported pretty much every day. I'm sure a lot of those accidents aren't all other people's faults, but from driving a car and experiencing the bad driving I'd say the majority would be. It's that reason I chose against getting another bike. It's just not worth it. |
Re: WA driver attitudes
Originally Posted by Burbage
(Post 7671725)
It can be. If a child runs out in the road in front of you and you can't stop. Had you been travelling slower you would have been able to stop. You may even have been travelling at the speed limit. But that doesn't help the child. Speed is still the cause of the death of the child. And if you were exceeding the speed limit then you probably deserve to be hanged.
If you're in a fifty km limit and you're driving at 51, and a child runs out, then is the root cause of the accident your speed? If you're driving at 49 then it would not be. But that fine line would give legal exoneration to some drivers and condemnation to others. Thats my issue. What I'm saying is that speed is not the cause of any accidents. It is bad driving, and if you're driving at any speed without taking into account other people, your abilities, the conditions, etc, then that is poor driving. Tailgating, hooning, etc - thats just bad driving. |
Re: WA driver attitudes
Originally Posted by johnnyx0
(Post 7671752)
No. The root cause of the death is the child running out in front of you. Drivers at any speed need to be aware of potential issues. If you're driving in a suburban area, you need to be aware that kids may dive out into your path, and allow for that.
If you're in a fifty km limit and you're driving at 51, and a child runs out, then is the root cause of the accident your speed? If you're driving at 49 then it would not be. But that fine line would give legal exoneration to some drivers and condemnation to others. Thats my issue. What I'm saying is that speed is not the cause of any accidents. It is bad driving, and if you're driving at any speed without taking into account other people, your abilities, the conditions, etc, then that is poor driving. Tailgating, hooning, etc - thats just bad driving. Anyway, to add further fuel to the fire, here's an article about SUVs and utes, which might also explain the high road death toll in Australia, considering how many of these things are on the roads. Or might not, depending on whether you agree with it. http://www.net-monster.com/blather_suvs_part1.html |
Re: WA driver attitudes
Originally Posted by BadgeIsBack
(Post 7671737)
I can only think that the weight of evidence is that experience, (hours behind the wheel) and maturity, counts for a lot. And you can only get that experience by driving. It's like flying; you start with an empty bag of experience and a bag of luck. The aim is to fill the bag with experience before you empty the bag of luck. It would take a year on your own, driving in real situations before you are far less dangerous on the roads. That's before maturity and drink/drugs.
Most people come through driving school at an age where although they are on the edge of adulthood are not really that adult, and they do start earlier here, 15(?) in some states as the Australian infrastructure requires it. The P plate system acknowledges that here as does the more recent, equivalent system in the UK. It was only 20 years ago when all you did in the Uk was take 10 lessons, a driving test and answer a few questions from a book the examiner presented. Within a few years in the 90s, they had added parking, three-point turn, a sit-down test...probabationary precautions. If people have passed a test, then they're competent to drive, otherwise why have a test? No halfway-houses, if you passed, then you passed. And 15 is way too young to start driving, that needs to be increased. I agree with limiting engine sizes for the younger population to allow for their maturity, but get rid of the stupid p-plates, please! |
Re: WA driver attitudes
Originally Posted by Burbage
(Post 7671763)
No. the cause of the accident is the child running out. The child dies if you can't stop in time.
Anyway, to add further fuel to the fire, here's an article about SUVs and utes, which might also explain the high road death toll in Australia, considering how many of these things are on the roads. Or might not, depending on whether you agree with it. http://www.net-monster.com/blather_suvs_part1.html |
Re: WA driver attitudes
Originally Posted by Mrs Roo
(Post 7667608)
Well I am a WA Driver; I never had a ticket in all my years of driving in OZ; Never had an accident; I don't tailgate, speed or duck 'n' weave and I am courteous to other road-users. I got breathalysed for the first time last month: cops didn't even bother getting out of their car after they did a check on me.
I reckon your problem is that there are too many Poms on the road here. I was in the UK a couple of years back. I lived and worked there for 4 years. I saw a lot of tailgating and about the same amount of discourtesy and "dickhead" behaviour over there that you see here. Maybe you just forgot what a dump the UK is and you need to go "back home" and remind yourselves. Look I don't know where you drive but it seems to me that you are either being nit-picky, or whiney or you simply can't drive. Cops here pick you up if you drive too slow. Now if you really want to live on the edge, go to Melbourne and drive around at peak hour. That will give you something to whine about. |
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