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GarryP Jun 17th 2017 6:26 pm

Re: UK election poll
 

Originally Posted by ozzieeagle (Post 12275289)
Yehp should have been empathic, I've always used that word wrongly, only realised today.


Not sure whether he is campaigning in this situation or not, Although it would be hard not to share the distress of those in these circumstances when faced with its stark reality. Not sure why May appears to find that difficult.... Probably the stiff upper lip was drummed into her as a way of reacting under pressure in her private schooling.

Actually, I'd suggest her stint in the Home Office might be part of it. There is something about that place that changes people with any kind of prolonged exposure. They become authoritarian, remote, and 'warped' after 2-3 years. The warmth seems to get drained out of them.

Anyone that sticks it for 4 years or more ....

Beoz Jun 17th 2017 7:48 pm

Re: UK election poll
 

Originally Posted by ozzieeagle (Post 12275304)
Well I'll be jiggered, there I was trying to find a semblance of a reason for her apparent woodenness in the face of extreme distress.

Cant even do it with bigotry.... bugger me seems she's just built that way..

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Those damn state school women can be so harsh eh.

OzTennis Jun 17th 2017 7:56 pm

Re: UK election poll
 

Originally Posted by Beoz (Post 12274953)
Why would I be care (share? Please you've had your fair share) that your pension scheme has been been reduced to what is actually fair, and in line with those in the private sector - though still very generous.

Your greed is amazing.

You made a comment, full of inaccuracies about my pension, I correct you and tis me who is greedy. :confused: I was commenting on how the public sector pensions of teachers were not changed when the public sector pensions of the police and armed forces were improved by Thatcher. Absolutely nothing to do with the private sector.

What is greedy about pointing out that teachers were treated unfairly compared to other public sector workers?

OzTennis Jun 17th 2017 8:01 pm

Re: UK election poll
 

Originally Posted by Amazulu (Post 12275015)
How the f**k is May responsible for Grenfell Tower?

Corbyn is playing this tragedy like a pro - and the British media and people are lapping it up

Using a disaster to score points - I know this is not restricted to any side of politics - but f**ked up all the same

Corbyn wins. He can't win an election but he wins on the bullshit

Respect - the boy knows how to play a crowd like a fiddle

Who said she is responsible? The issue here is about showing leadership, humanity and compassion. She clearly is more concerned about her latest pair of shoes and doing a deal with the creationists in NI.

Conservative led Kensington and Chelsea Council has a lot of questions to answer about how they buried a 2013 report on fire safety in high rise buildings and being too busy in giving council tax rebates for making 'efficiency savings' (i.e. not spending money where needed)

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/...is-blood-money

Amazulu Jun 17th 2017 9:02 pm

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Originally Posted by OzTennis (Post 12275372)
Who said she is responsible?

Read the left-wing media - The Guardian in particular

Khan is the major of London - his socialist ass has to own this

Beoz Jun 17th 2017 9:32 pm

Re: UK election poll
 

Originally Posted by OzTennis (Post 12275372)
Who said she is responsible? [/url]

Corbyn's supporters did. His rent a crowd. They marched to the town hall chanting "May must go". You should know. You are one of them. Did you not get the email?

Beoz Jun 17th 2017 9:33 pm

Re: UK election poll
 

Originally Posted by OzTennis (Post 12275370)
You made a comment, full of inaccuracies about my pension, I correct you and tis me who is greedy. :confused: I was commenting on how the public sector pensions of teachers were not changed when the public sector pensions of the police and armed forces were improved by Thatcher. Absolutely nothing to do with the private sector.

What is greedy about pointing out that teachers were treated unfairly compared to other public sector workers?

Manage your own pension like the rest of us.

OzTennis Jun 17th 2017 9:36 pm

Re: UK election poll
 

Originally Posted by Amazulu (Post 12275403)
Read the left-wing media - The Guardian in particular

Khan is the major of London - his socialist ass has to own this

You can't distinguish between commenting on her lack of humanity and leadership with saying she caused the fire? Incredible. Point me to an article which says she caused the fire please.

If you don't think that many years of austerity and lack of investment in public housing and laock of concern for the residents therein isn't going to be in the spotlight as the inquiry gets under way then you have a rude shock coming.

OzTennis Jun 17th 2017 9:41 pm

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Originally Posted by Beoz (Post 12275415)
Manage your own pension like the rest of us.

Trump avoidance of the question by introducing irrelevancies and going on the attack with p*sh. Teachers 1/80 scheme vs law and order workers 1/60 scheme????

I'm on a fixed salary 1/80 scheme which I've been contributing to since I started teaching here many years ago. I took out an FSAVC as well (I HAVE a private pension because the public sector one isn't going to look after me adequately in my retirement which I've earned and pay in the rest of the 15% which doesn't go into the SPPA scheme). I've been paying the NIC's as well which have gone up in %. You want me to ditch that to satisfy your political leanings?:rofl:

Beoz Jun 17th 2017 9:55 pm

Re: UK election poll
 

Originally Posted by OzTennis (Post 12275416)
If you don't think that many years of austerity and lack of investment in public housing and laock of concern for the residents therein isn't going to be in the spotlight as the inquiry gets under way then you have a rude shock coming.

Bandwagon drama queen aren't we?

£8 million spent on refurbishing the tower is hardly a lack of investment.

Contractors tender for a job and more often than not, the cheapest gets the prize. Contractors are private companies and this process is the same for both private and public buildings.

The chosen cladding had faults. 2000 buildings in Sydney have this cladding. Its an unfortunate accident.

At the end of the day, if the cladding was certified as fire resistant, the certifier will get the blame.

Simple as that sport.

BadgeIsBack Jun 17th 2017 10:37 pm

Re: UK election poll
 

Originally Posted by OzTennis (Post 12275418)
Trump avoidance of the question by introducing irrelevancies and going on the attack with p*sh. Teachers 1/80 scheme vs law and order workers 1/60 scheme????

I'm on a fixed salary 1/80 scheme which I've been contributing to since I started teaching here many years ago. I took out an FSAVC as well (I HAVE a private pension because the public sector one isn't going to look after me adequately in my retirement which I've earned and pay in the rest of the 15% which doesn't go into the SPPA scheme). I've been paying the NIC's as well which have gone up in %. You want me to ditch that to satisfy your political leanings?:rofl:

If you are on a Fixed salary pension keep quiet - this is a privilege not extended to many of your descendents.

Teaching is not as dangerous as the Cops and Armed Forces. Thatcher's changes recognised the service and sacrifice those, particularly the Armed Forces, make. I don't see teachers deployed away from the UK on operations and away from families.

OzTennis Jun 17th 2017 10:39 pm

Re: UK election poll
 

Originally Posted by Beoz (Post 12275413)
Corbyn's supporters did. His rent a crowd. They marched to the town hall chanting "May must go". You should know. You are one of them. Did you not get the email?

They said May caused the fire did they? :rofl:

You do not understand people's anger?

I didn't vote for Corbyn as it happens.

You just don't have a clue.

mikelincs Jun 17th 2017 10:47 pm

Re: UK election poll
 

Originally Posted by Beoz (Post 12275426)
Bandwagon drama queen aren't we?

£8 million spent on refurbishing the tower is hardly a lack of investment.

Contractors tender for a job and more often than not, the cheapest gets the prize. Contractors are private companies and this process is the same for both private and public buildings.

The chosen cladding had faults. 2000 buildings in Sydney have this cladding. Its an unfortunate accident.

At the end of the day, if the cladding was certified as fire resistant, the certifier will get the blame.

Simple as that sport.

There are now comments that the cladding used was, in fact, banned in the UK, if this is true, then that opens up a real can of worms and someone, developers or council or both might well be found to be guilty of corporate manslaughter.

OzTennis Jun 17th 2017 10:52 pm

Re: UK election poll
 

Originally Posted by BadgeIsBack (Post 12275443)
If you are on a Fixed salary pension keep quiet - this is a privilege not extended to many of your descendents.

Teaching is not as dangerous as the Cops and Armed Forces. Thatcher's changes recognised the service and sacrifice those, particularly the Armed Forces, make. I don't see teachers deployed away from the UK on operations and away from families.

I'm meant to feel guilty for taking up a teaching position in 1980 with a final salary pension scheme and low pay compared to other graduates because I had a sense of public service and got enjoyment out of teaching others and passing on my skills? (where's the 'danger' in making widgets or getting a huge salary and a 7 figure bonus for gambling with other people's money in banking?)

She increased pay for police and armed forces AS WELL as putting them on a more lucrative pension scheme. She signalled that law and order is more important than people going onto tertiary education and into teaching.

OzTennis Jun 17th 2017 11:01 pm

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Originally Posted by mikelincs (Post 12275450)
There are now comments that the cladding used was, in fact, banned in the UK, if this is true, then that opens up a real can of worms and someone, developers or council or both might well be found to be guilty of corporate manslaughter.

Confirmed by Philip Hammond this morning.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017...nored-decades/


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