moneypenny20

It's always hit the headlines as far as I'm aware as I spend a lot of time in the US boards as well as most of the other boards on BE. The number of people who get sent to Secondary for no other reason than the CBP feel like doing it or an i wasn't dotted or a t crossed by mistake is just the way it is. Not sure what that's got to do with the current situation but I'm sure you'll tell me it's no different when I have a different opinion on the matter. I can't be arsed to argue the point. Neither of us will change our minds.

As for the leftie propaganda line, it's kind of odd and boring. You seem to think you're being funny/clever/rude by using terms like leftie/SJW etc but not really, you just sound as though you're a bit lacking. If people are left wing then calling them leftie will just make them happy. If they're not then you just don't make any sense to them. But who am I to spoil your fun because you obviously get entertainment out of it.

The only reason I posted the link was because, to my mind, it just proves how ill thought out this particular EO was. I have no issues with him doing what he said he'd do but I wanted to hope that whilst he came over as a complete narcissistic demagogue during the past few years, once in the position of President, he'd behave with a certain amount of rationality. Unfortunately it doesn't appear that he understands 'rational'. He's surrounded himself with a very strange group of people who have their own agenda and has as his spokespeople, those that struggle with facts and so makes what could be a sensible idea into a joke.

He deserves the negative treatment he's getting simply because of the way he's behaving. It's called living in a democracy. People are allowed to call bullshit when it occurs.

morpeth

There are thousands upon thousands of people who continue to cross the border without documents and live in the United States without documents, that evidently accounts for a big percentage of the total of over 10 million people who are in the country illegally. Equally a big percentage simply over-stay the visas. The Wall proposed may not be the optimal solution, but it deals with a real situation.

On the other hand to legally enter the USA is a complicated, inefficient, often expensive process, can be very difficult and also often involves a very insulting handling of would be immigrants at their point of origin- I have seen how would be immigrants are handled in US consulates in a few countries, and have had some family dealings with immigration matters in the US. There are numerous threads on BE alone which show the challenges if the US immigration rules.

You raise a good question, would that fellow who committed that act in Canada have been precluded under current immigration rules ? Not knowing his background I couldn't judge. Is there a greater possibility of X percentage of Canadians committing terrorist acts compared to Y percentage from the 7 troubled countries, and at what point does that justify a ban, I actually think is a hard question to be 100% certain about.

for example

if 1 out of 1,000 Somalis support directly or indirectly terrorist attacks, but only 1 out of 500,000 Canadians,

if 20 out of 1,000 Somalis are sympathetic to the goals of terrorist groups, by only 500 out of 200,000 Canadians supportive of radical islam or radical right wing goals.

if police reports, court records, cooperation with intelligence agencies easy for Americans to get from Canada, but not from Somalia,

-----I am not saying those numbers correct, but at some point isn't a ban or more restrictions logical for those coming from Canada compared to Somalia . so as to err on the side of caution ?

I don't say I support the ban as it stands and how it was arrived at, and how it was announced and implemented. And I suspect informally people from those countries already face some hurdles in getting visas. But certainly to err on the side of caution not a bad thing.

Beoz

Pretty simple sport. He wants to grow within. That's what his policies said. That's what the people voted for. Before you start arguing with me about the merits of that, forget it. You'll be arguing with yourself again.

Its a pretty silly question to ask. I have no access to the database that stores information on people who might enter the US. Do you?

Terrible crime none the less. He's got no chance of entering now.

Shorten already does character assassinations on a daily basis. What bothers me about Shorten is his character assassinations are based on envy and resent. Its a terrible trait to have and its even more terrible he's playing on the Australian public with those hideous feelings.

Brainwashed ..... interesting thought.

Good to see you gave up on the antagonised PM. They've been brainwashing you.

Beoz

I think he wants to honour those policies he won with. I actually don't think he cares for the policies that much. He'll make up whatever policies win him the majority of votes.

If the line was true when he was having the conversation with Mal "this will politically kill me" then this is telling.

He doesn't care if the US take 1200 refugees. He cares for the headlines.

BTW. Yep. The US boards will tell you the issues getting past immigration. The Norway ex PM is having a moan about 1 hour ...... really? Join the club.

morpeth

Any politician cares about the headlines both for personal reasons, but also to effectively garner support to govern. Part of the weakness of a democracy.

OzTennis

I didn't 'give up' on the antagonised - you honestly believe the 'great deal maker' can threaten to go back on a deal, say that his phone call to Turnbull was the most difficult of the 4 that day, tell Turnbull either directly or by tweet that he's sending the next Boston bomber and he's not trying to antagonise? Get real. Trump has set out to annoy as many world leaders as he can for domestic consumption. Turnbull will be too diplomatic to say what he really thinks of Trump.

So Trump can say what he wants, fail as much as he likes etc which is refreshing, desirable and transparent but you criticise Shorten!

You don't say the Canadian is banned now! He wasn't before because he isn't subject to the same scrutiny as a Muslim from certain countries. Not equal treatment whatever the odds of a wasp are c.f. a radicalised muslim.

The convenient point forgotten is that thousands of Americans are killed every week by people within who are allowed to bear arms. If they really were trying to do something about that they'd get serious on gun controls and re-consider the 2nd amendment. The world and USA have moved on a bit since 1791. However his supporters, particularly the right wing racists are the gun lobby so no chance of that I know.

OzTennis

If he wins he'll divorce himself from his business interests via a trust. (it's in the NY Times - propaganda, left wing, therefore not true? ):

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/02/03/u...-business.html

The trust records show that 'the elder Trump can revoke the authority of the trustees (his eldest son and his CFO) at any time'.

So he's not involved in the day to day running (obviously, he's got a new full time job now) but he will still draw a profit or loss and he still has control of his businesses.

Gordon Barlow

This being a specifically anti-Trump forum (as per the title), most of the contributors won't welcome anything off-topic, but the article at the link below illustrates (up to a point) how far the Trump Revolution extends. He ran as the candidate for President of the USA, not for Emperor of the World; still, a US President does have to be involved in the outside world. His interaction with the EU will be fun to watch.
https://www.rt.com/op-edge/376314-tr...ssels-malloch/

Beoz

Just between you and me, I think you are losing it. Internal policies on guns has little bearing on immigration policies. The boston bombers used pots.

GarryP

Just between you and me, I think you're a troll.

If you "want to keep people safe" then you are much better off controlling guns than you are going against the US constitution on immigration. You could easily save a 9/11 every year if you clamped down on guns. Hell, if you really want a difference then there's road deaths and medical incompetence to deal with.

See, if you think big picture you can make real progress.

Anyway, back in cockupland, it looks like the State dept and the DoJ have given up on trump's EO - whilst the orange one sits and fumes on twitter :

moneypenny20

He wants everyone to take him seriously so Tweets: The opinion of this so-called judge, which essentially takes law-enforcement away from our country, is ridiculous and will be overturned!

So called? He has no clue on the Constitution or Federal Law but then how many six year old son do?

Beoz

You name call then tell me something we don't already know ....... you guys on the left are giving yourselves terrible reputations.

Here's a thought. (and before you get all excited I don't support guns)

If you want to kill someone or multiple people there's plenty of ways to go about it. But the real question is why would someone want to. It might be a jealous lover, it might be gang related killing, it might be the nut case shooting up the cinema, it might be the killing of innocents for your own religious purposes.

So sure, making guns illegal is going to help. No doubt.

But what about the nutcases. Whether it be shooting up the cinema or flying a couple of jets into towers. What's the reason behind a few of those types of scenarios.

Well here's the thing. It's far easier for Americans to swallow the high school nut bag shooting up the cinema because he's ..... well just nuts ..... than it is to swallow a bunch of foreigners running some jets into your two iconic towers because you believe in things like womens rights, mutli culturalism, drinking, wearing a bikini, supporting Jews, and the list goes on.

Then when the religious nutbag shoots up a nightclub, sets off a couple of pot bombs because you are gay, wearing a bikini, supporting Jews, drinking booze, etc etc, it becomes pretty clear that there are some fantasies, supported by some states and a religion that's not quite right in the world. And it keeps happening.

It's pretty easy to see how Donald Trump has picked up a winning policy and succeeded with it.

moneypenny20

what winning policy has he succeeded with? Oh I get the winning policy bit, I am just lost on the succeeded bit.

Beoz

Policies

https://www.donaldjtrump.com/policies

Success



Before you start arguing whether you like his policies or not, its not the point. He was voted in as President ...... that is success.

Amazulu

That's how he rolls dude - disagree with his ridiculous standpoints and you're a troll

Bizarre