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astera Nov 10th 2016 2:21 am
Re: The Trumpmare is happening... Who will win?
 
Originally Posted by Pulaski (Post 12101274)
You only need to watch the first 20 seconds
I would care to disagree. :) The rest is interesting too, keep on watching and her opinion is that Bernie Sanders would be much tougher to beat than Clinton, plus she gives some good reasons why.

Pulaski Nov 10th 2016 2:29 am
Re: The Trumpmare is happening... Who will win?
 
Originally Posted by astera (Post 12101283)
I would care to disagree. :) The rest is interesting too, keep on watching and her opinion is that Bernie Sanders would be much tougher to beat than Clinton, plus she gives some good reasons why.
I agree, I just despise watching other people's "must watch" videos, so I only highlighted the bit I thought was most interesting lest others not bother thinking I was recommending all ten minutes, because I certainly wouldn't watch a ten minute video just because someone else posted a non-specific recommendation for it. :)

morpeth Nov 10th 2016 2:30 am
Re: The Trumpmare is happening... Who will win?
 
Originally Posted by astera (Post 12101227)
You must be living in some alternate reality :) It's more like 8 years of successful rebuilding after two terms of tragic Republican rule under the biggest moron to ever occupy the White House.



I agree, Trump single-handedly demolished the entire party and all its contenders, basically swiping them aside and claiming that whole part of the political scene all for himself.



I think _she_ is the reason why the party lost simply because she wasn't the best candidate, had quite a negative following even among Democrats, and the process by which she was selected seemed almost as twisted and suspicious as some of the things Trump was saying about the political system overall.

Unfortunately she went for it. This reminds me of the Republicans and how they lost out to Obama because they pushed the wrong guy into the spotlight. Had they nominated Ron Paul it would have probably gone the other way.
I agree many people were just voting against Clinton and not necessarily for Trump. But again the reality is many people have suffered in this economy of the past 16 years, and did not feel Clinton represented anything but a continuation of the same. Until the Democrats recognize the suffering and concerns of the white working class and lower income class, they wont get the majority of their votes. But demographics are in favour of the Democrats
in the long run.

knockoff nige Nov 10th 2016 7:11 am
Re: The Trumpmare is happening... Who will win?
 
Originally Posted by Beoz (Post 12101041)
Perhaps you should pay attention.

Donald Trump will lead the US in the right direction. We should take note

Some good some bad but that goes with the territory. Rather than believing the lack of detail the popular media sensationalise to get you all angry and interested.
What? How about you go and have a look at Trumps record. Instead of reading the wishful thinking of his supporters and the desperate praying of those who are now stuck with him.

The media sensationalised Trump and Clinton. But Trump did a far better job at sensationalising himself as has been true his entire public facing life.

Trump said that if he had paid his income tax, the US would have squandered it.

http://www.nydailynews.com/entertain...icle-1.1315092

knockoff nige Nov 10th 2016 7:18 am
Re: The Trumpmare is happening... Who will win?
 
Originally Posted by morpeth (Post 12101297)
I agree many people were just voting against Clinton and not necessarily for Trump. But again the reality is many people have suffered in this economy of the past 16 years, and did not feel Clinton represented anything but a continuation of the same. Until the Democrats recognize the suffering and concerns of the white working class and lower income class, they wont get the majority of their votes. But demographics are in favour of the Democrats
in the long run.
Nobody knows why Trump really got elected and that's what makes this nearly impossible to understand. Some voted against Clinton, some voted because they wanted a wall. Others would have voted because they didn't believe in Obama. Plenty of reasons why but who knows how many for each.

scrubbedexpat098 Nov 10th 2016 7:22 am
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<snip>

Here we go, this bloke 100% correct

Pulaski Nov 10th 2016 7:34 am
Re: The Trumpmare is happening... Who will win?
 
Originally Posted by stevenglish1 (Post 12101648)
<snip>

Here we go, this bloke 100% correct
I don't agree with the spin, but that is profoundly correct, especially after 4:30. The PC crowd have driven free speech underground, anything that doesn't meet the left's standard of what is "acceptable" is labled "hate speech" and is shut down. :(

Beoz Nov 10th 2016 8:01 am
Re: The Trumpmare is happening... Who will win?
 
Originally Posted by knockoff nige (Post 12101636)
What? How about you go and have a look at Trumps record. Instead of reading the wishful thinking of his supporters and the desperate praying of those who are now stuck with him.

The media sensationalised Trump and Clinton. But Trump did a far better job at sensationalising himself as has been true his entire public facing life.

Trump said that if he had paid his income tax, the US would have squandered it.

Trump’s son, 7, uses caviar moisturizer nightly - NY Daily News
Track record pretty good in my opinion. He's had successful businesses, failed businesses, been up front about the failed tax system. An honest leader for once. And he's into caviar moisturiser ...... just because you can't afford it ..... resentment again.

Any other arguments or are you just buying the mainstream press piss take?

knockoff nige Nov 10th 2016 8:41 am
Re: The Trumpmare is happening... Who will win?
 
Originally Posted by Beoz (Post 12101700)
Track record pretty good in my opinion. He's had successful businesses, failed businesses, been up front about the failed tax system. An honest leader for once. And he's into caviar moisturiser ...... just because you can't afford it ..... resentment again.

Any other arguments or are you just buying the mainstream press piss take?
Er what? Why would I even want caviar moisturiser? Maybe one day you'll come out of that cloud you live in and realise that people typically aren't jealous of the rich who earn and have. People are quite rightly annoyed by the hypocrisy of people like Trump. When you say 'honest leader', you quite clearly post that as bait as you can't possibly be that dumb. Nice try.

GarryP Nov 10th 2016 9:04 am
Re: The Trumpmare is happening... Who will win?
 
Originally Posted by knockoff nige (Post 12101763)
When you say 'honest leader', you quite clearly post that as bait as you can't possibly be that dumb. Nice try.
Never underestimate the ability of the far right to see black and say white.

Seriously, they can't all be trolling.

knockoff nige Nov 10th 2016 9:10 am
Re: The Trumpmare is happening... Who will win?
 
Originally Posted by GarryP (Post 12101800)
Never underestimate the ability of the far right to see black and say white.

Seriously, they can't all be trolling.
I agree but we can't call it all stupidity or ignorance when some of it must be trolling. But Beoz has a lot in common with Trump in my opinion. Probably doesn't have his lifestyle but seems to have his knuckle dragging personality.

Hmm, on the thin line between name calling and not name calling this time.

Beoz Nov 10th 2016 9:30 am
Re: The Trumpmare is happening... Who will win?
 
Originally Posted by knockoff nige (Post 12101812)
I agree but we can't call it all stupidity or ignorance when some of it must be trolling. But Beoz has a lot in common with Trump in my opinion. Probably doesn't have his lifestyle but seems to have his knuckle dragging personality.

Hmm, on the thin line between name calling and not name calling this time.
This is the problem with you lefties. When the vote is lost and the after argument has no depth or merit, all you can do is name call and riot in the streets. Your neanderthal ways are getting a bit last decade. Do catch up, the world is moving forward without you.

Beoz Nov 10th 2016 9:34 am
Re: The Trumpmare is happening... Who will win?
 
Originally Posted by knockoff nige (Post 12101763)
Er what? Why would I even want caviar moisturiser? Maybe one day you'll come out of that cloud you live in and realise that people typically aren't jealous of the rich who earn and have. People are quite rightly annoyed by the hypocrisy of people like Trump. When you say 'honest leader', you quite clearly post that as bait as you can't possibly be that dumb. Nice try.
You started in this thread so neutral and look at the far left mess you have got yourself into. You are even plucking descriptions out of the air now with no backup.

Go and spend some time at http://mobile.nytimes.com you will feel more at home there.

knockoff nige Nov 10th 2016 9:40 am
Re: The Trumpmare is happening... Who will win?
 
Originally Posted by Beoz (Post 12101863)
You started in this thread so neutral and look at the far left mess you have got yourself into. You are even plucking descriptions out of the air now with no backup.

Go and spend some time at http://mobile.nytimes.com you will feel more at home there.
Neutral? Never said I was. I despise the decision to elect Trump as president. As do most Americans. And everything you want to know about how ridiculous Trump is has been broadcast daily since he began running for President. Really not sure why I waste the internet space in reply to you.

bourbon-biscuit Nov 10th 2016 9:42 am
Re: The Trumpmare is happening... Who will win?
 
Originally Posted by Beoz (Post 12101856)
This is the problem with you lefties. When the vote is lost and the after argument has no depth or merit, all you can do is name call and riot in the streets. Your neanderthal ways are getting a bit last decade. Do catch up, the world is moving forward without you.
Erm, well I do think Trump has name-calling well and truly in the bag so I don't think that is something you can accuse lefties of having a monopoly on! In fact, part of the recent critique of the left is that they have sought to quash name-calling, thereby interfering with free speech..... :blink: Knockoff nig seems pretty good at name-calling, but he is no more proficient than several of the posters he spars with.

I think if there is are two things we can say with some certainty at the rise and election of Donald Trump it is that (a) Farrage was right: people have had enough of 'experts' (aka people who know their shit) and they have had enough to such an extent that they will overlook and forgive a lot in order to make the point that they have had enough, and (b) money really does talk.

On the plus side, Putin/ Russia seems to like Trump so maybe recent escalating tensions there might subside. Every cloud and all that :lol:


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