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Kooky. Feb 21st 2009 10:15 am

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Stop the shakes! You are messing up your metabolism. Trust me, I learned the hard way.

There is no quick fix. You need to change your diet, not go on a diet - it's a plan for life. I'm sure we talked about this at length on the original thread.

I'd love to lose more weight but being fit and well is my first priority.

PaulandNic Feb 21st 2009 10:44 am

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While you'll run across an occasional expert who recommend extremely low-calorie diets for weight loss with hypothyroidism, the majority of experts believe you may not be eating enough to maintain your metabolism. Dropping calories too low can lower your metabolism and send your body into "hoard" mode -- a process which thyroid patients are particularly susceptible to and which can offset weight loss efforts and keep you from success at your diet.

Personally, when I want to lose weight, going on a 1200 calorie or less per day diet is a sure-fire way to ensure that I don't lose a pound. And if you're dieting your heart out, and not getting anywhere, the problem may not be that you're eating too much -- you may be eating too little, and not in the right balance


http://thyroid.about.com:80/cs/dietw...tingenough.htm

donna Feb 21st 2009 11:00 am

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But if i eat more calories,holy cow,do i get big!!!!

PaulandNic Feb 21st 2009 11:18 am

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Originally Posted by donna (Post 7308951)
But if i eat more calories,holy cow,do i get big!!!!

:lol:

We're gonna get an exercise bike or treadmill thingey, see if extra exercise helps.

Failing that, I think Nic's already accepted that the 80+ % of clothes that she has, will prob never fit again so might as well get rid of em! ... :(

Kooky. Feb 21st 2009 11:35 am

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Originally Posted by PaulandNic (Post 7308922)
While you'll run across an occasional expert who recommend extremely low-calorie diets for weight loss with hypothyroidism, the majority of experts believe you may not be eating enough to maintain your metabolism. Dropping calories too low can lower your metabolism and send your body into "hoard" mode -- a process which thyroid patients are particularly susceptible to and which can offset weight loss efforts and keep you from success at your diet.

Personally, when I want to lose weight, going on a 1200 calorie or less per day diet is a sure-fire way to ensure that I don't lose a pound. And if you're dieting your heart out, and not getting anywhere, the problem may not be that you're eating too much -- you may be eating too little, and not in the right balance


http://thyroid.about.com:80/cs/dietw...tingenough.htm

You see! One day, you'll believe my rants about metabolism. :lol:

I can't now remember if I wrote this on the thyroid thread or the lapband thread, probably both. I haven't touched a shake for at least 12 years, not since I was actually slim enough not to need them in the first place :rolleyes: but I used to use them as a quick fix to lose half a stone in a week before a holiday or big night out because I hated being over 8 stone zero (rolls eyes again, I'm 5'7" FFS), and with hindsight that probably contributed to my ill-health and inability to lose weight now. In those days we believed "low fat" was everything, so we didn't get enough good fat and we got way too much sugar, because manufacturers put sugar in almost everything to make it taste ok, because without fat it wouldn't.

There are calories and there are calories. Personally I think following a low Glycaemic Load regime is far more useful and healthy than restricting calories to the point that your body goes into famine mode (as per Paul's post). Honestly I feel so strongly about this I could rant about this for hours, but there are websites from experts on the subject that put it far better than I can. Look up Patrick Holford, for a start. Eat little and often.

And, yes, exercise is important for all sorts of reasons. Walking is especially good for somebody like myself that used to spend half her time in the gym, the other at the osteopath's. :lol: Swimming too.

OK Sunday morning sermon over. I just hope at least one person can learn from my huge mistakes. :)

TiddlyPom Feb 22nd 2009 11:18 am

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Originally Posted by webgum (Post 7303620)
Hello peeps, I'm on a roll with this now!

Just back from (another useless) Dr. We composed the letter together, for which he charged me $99.

Oh My! :ohmy:


Originally Posted by webgum (Post 7303620)
My latest results show that TSH is 1.05 (down from 4.55 when first diagnosed) but TPO is still well over 1000IU/ml. FT4 is 14 and FT3 not reported.

Hmmmm. It's difficult to see how your T4 is converting if we don't have T3... hard to see the ratio! Mrs Jackaroo... you're better on this than me... Any ideas?
TPO.... WHOAAAAAAAAAAA! :eek:


Originally Posted by webgum (Post 7303620)
Do the antibodies always stay high? GP said yes, "until the disease burns itself and your thyroid out". Hmmm.

No. Once the condition (I prefer not to call it a disease... ) is under control, your antibodies should reduce. By treating the condition correctly, you get rid of it. If you are properly treated, you should have low or nil (if you're really good) antibodies. Your doctor is a real charmer isn't he! There's no reason to burn your thyroid out whatsoever.


Originally Posted by webgum (Post 7303620)
I then asked him, what is the score if my TSH is within normal limits and I'm still tired as anything. He said, "well it could be anything, depression, lack of sleep". And then ushered me out of the surgery. Thanks for the help, mate!

What he's saying is that he's at the end of his knowledge with the condition and that he hasn't got a clue where to go now.


Originally Posted by webgum (Post 7303620)
I also asked if it would be sensible/advisable to get referred to an endocrinologist, to which he helpfully replied "if you want to".


My goodness. What a charmer! And how helpful!
Your answer would be...
'Yes i want to... please refer me to a good one who knows what he or she is doing.'

Where are you in the world Webgum?

TiddlyPom Feb 22nd 2009 11:55 am

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Originally Posted by midgetjan (Post 7307241)

OK have decided Monday I'm going to call the doctor.

I woke up feeling awful and hubby asked what was wrong. My reply was;
  1. "When I came to Australia I felt like Tigger, and now I feel like Eeyore"

I think this just sums it up......

Time for action I think.

Thanks for prompting me.

Excellent. Ask for a total thyroid panel.


Originally Posted by PaulandNic (Post 7307520)
Does anyone know how long the transition will take to do ANYTHING ... if it's ever gonna! ... :confused:

Nic's still not losing any weight, and getting very frustrated wit it all now ... :(

She's currently doin these 'shakes' and eating one meal a day ... no weight loss at all!

It seems she simply cannot lose any weight any more!

I tell her to exercise more maybe, but she'll say that all she used to do was cut back on what she eat, and her weight would drop off! Now she's banging her head on the wall it seems!

So can someone tell me ... once you've got a dodgy thyroid, is that it as far as your weight goes ?!?!

No NO NO NO NO!


NO SHAKES.

Listen very carefully.
I will say this only once.
http://img.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/200...EX_468x333.jpg

When you convert your T4 to T3, one of the things you need is CARBOHYDRATE.

Shakes do not have enough carbohydrate in them. They are bad for you. You can do more damage to your thyroid by messing around with your mebolism. Very low calorie diets can damage your thyroid.

Paul, over time with a thyroid complaint you get 'thyroid damage' which is damage from your thyroid not working properly. Essentially Nic's organs have a lot of healing to do. The emphasis should be on healing your body, not getting rid of the fat right now.
Until Nic is at an optimal medication limit, she will not lose weight. You need the body to heal and be well before weight loss occurs!
I'm sorry it's not all peachy news... Yes, now you're on the right drug, you should be as well as anyone on the street... but it is not a miracle cure! It's a crawl back up to full health. Lots of fruit and vegetables. Lots of good proteins. Lots of vitamins and minerals....Exercise and a SENSIBLE whole diet.





Originally Posted by midgetjan (Post 7308855)
I fully understand where you are coming from......

I'm on those shakes too and having only one meal a day (no carbs) and can't lose weight. Like Nic I used to be able to cut down on my calorie intake and lose weight - but now I starve and still gain weight!!!! :mad:

It's so frustrating.

You need some carbs. Not NO CARBS.
With no carbs you will send your body into starvation mode and you will not lose weight. ATkins induction... very bad for thyroid and won't work. Atkins Ongoing Weight Loss programme better
...


Originally Posted by Seasider (Post 7308873)
Stop the shakes! You are messing up your metabolism. Trust me, I learned the hard way.

There is no quick fix. You need to change your diet, not go on a diet - it's a plan for life. I'm sure we talked about this at length on the original thread.

Absolutely right.


Originally Posted by PaulandNic (Post 7308922)
While you'll run across an occasional expert who recommend extremely low-calorie diets for weight loss with hypothyroidism, the majority of experts believe you may not be eating enough to maintain your metabolism. Dropping calories too low can lower your metabolism and send your body into "hoard" mode -- a process which thyroid patients are particularly susceptible to and which can offset weight loss efforts and keep you from success at your diet.

Personally, when I want to lose weight, going on a 1200 calorie or less per day diet is a sure-fire way to ensure that I don't lose a pound. And if you're dieting your heart out, and not getting anywhere, the problem may not be that you're eating too much -- you may be eating too little, and not in the right balance


http://thyroid.about.com:80/cs/dietw...tingenough.htm


Right.

I have lost now over 100lb on The South Beach Diet that I put on over the time I was ill. I still eat like that now. It isn't so much a diet, but a lifestyle change.
It has the right amount of carbs and proteins for you if you have thyroid disorder.
However, not all diets work for everyone. You have to find what works for you.

I have a copy of the South Beach Diet book if you want to read it. I can post it to you but I'd like it back. Alternatively you can get it from your local library for free....

No fad diet will work. There is no quick fix.
Stay off the damn shakes. They're shit nutrition and you guys need to be packing in the nutrition with fresh healthy good food.

MarkMC Feb 22nd 2009 3:03 pm

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Originally Posted by TiddlyPom (Post 7311832)

Paul, over time with a thyroid complaint you get 'thyroid damage' which is damage from your thyroid not working properly. Essentially Nic's organs have a lot of healing to do. The emphasis should be on healing your body, not getting rid of the fat right now.
Until Nic is at an optimal medication limit, she will not lose weight. You need the body to heal and be well before weight loss occurs!
I'm sorry it's not all peachy news... Yes, now you're on the right drug, you should be as well as anyone on the street... but it is not a miracle cure! It's a crawl back up to full health. Lots of fruit and vegetables. Lots of good proteins. Lots of vitamins and minerals....Exercise and a SENSIBLE whole diet.

That is just what Dr B told me this morning, she was so pleased with the change in me since November. But she did say that the weight will start to drop off in about 6-9 months as my body needs to repair from the damage it has had done to it so far with my badly control thyroid condition. She said I am very healthy and have great blood pressure and heart rate so just to carry on the way I am going.

Kerry :)

PaulandNic Feb 22nd 2009 5:52 pm

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Originally Posted by TiddlyPom (Post 7311832)
No NO NO NO NO!


NO SHAKES.

Listen very carefully.
I will say this only once.
http://img.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/200...EX_468x333.jpg

When you convert your T4 to T3, one of the things you need is CARBOHYDRATE.

Shakes do not have enough carbohydrate in them. They are bad for you. You can do more damage to your thyroid by messing around with your mebolism. Very low calorie diets can damage your thyroid.

Paul, over time with a thyroid complaint you get 'thyroid damage' which is damage from your thyroid not working properly. Essentially Nic's organs have a lot of healing to do. The emphasis should be on healing your body, not getting rid of the fat right now.
Until Nic is at an optimal medication limit, she will not lose weight. You need the body to heal and be well before weight loss occurs!
I'm sorry it's not all peachy news... Yes, now you're on the right drug, you should be as well as anyone on the street... but it is not a miracle cure! It's a crawl back up to full health. Lots of fruit and vegetables. Lots of good proteins. Lots of vitamins and minerals....Exercise and a SENSIBLE whole diet.

No, but it is WELL informed info which I can pass on ... :)

The shakes will go, and I know she doesn't eat 'junk' so I guess she'll just have to abide by these rules and be patient!

Thank you

webgum Feb 22nd 2009 6:12 pm

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Thank you Tiddlypom for your patience in answering my longwinded 'blog'!!

I live in Perth BTW, and you've answered what I knew deep down already, that a specialist is the way to go.

As an aside, I was watching <whispers> Oprah <whispers> today and she was talking about her own thyroid issues. Dr Oz talked about the importance of not relying on test results to give you the answers to your problem, but that what your body tells you is the best indicator of whether you are managing your thyroid properly. Such wise words.....all I need now is to find a specialist who feels the same way.

thanks a huge bunch - I really appreciate it!!!!

PaulandNic Feb 22nd 2009 7:36 pm

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Originally Posted by PaulandNic (Post 7312510)
No, but it is WELL informed info which I can pass on ... :)

Which I did, and Nic thanks you too ... :)

A 'how long is a piece of string' question I'm sure, but do you have ANY idea how long it'll take before she'll start being able to lose weight?

Obv taking into account she eats healthily, and gets decent exercise etc

Oh and she's been off her anti D tabs for over 3 months now too ... :thumbsup:

They wasn't aiding in weight loss either!

MarkMC Feb 22nd 2009 8:37 pm

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Originally Posted by PaulandNic (Post 7312769)
A 'how long is a piece of string' question I'm sure, but do you have ANY idea how long it'll take before she'll start being able to lose weight?

Dr B has told Kerry it can take 12 months plus depending up on how much damage has been done... Just eat healthy in the mean time, it will happen eventually.

midgetjan Feb 22nd 2009 10:39 pm

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[QUOTE=TiddlyPom;7311832]Excellent. Ask for a total thyroid panel.



No NO NO NO NO!


NO SHAKES.

Listen very carefully.
I will say this only once.
http://img.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/200...EX_468x333.jpg

When you convert your T4 to T3, one of the things you need is CARBOHYDRATE.

Shakes do not have enough carbohydrate in them. They are bad for you. You can do more damage to your thyroid by messing around with your mebolism. Very low calorie diets can damage your thyroid.




You need some carbs. Not NO CARBS.
With no carbs you will send your body into starvation mode and you will not lose weight. ATkins induction... very bad for thyroid and won't work. Atkins Ongoing Weight Loss programme better
...

Well I have to admit you're right there - I tried the Atkins Diet Induction for 8 weeks and gained 3lbs :eek: Over the same period of time my hubby lost 14 kilos.

I didn't get a chance to call the doctor today as I was flat out at work and didn't even get 5 minutes free to phone. My knuckles are aching and I'm so tired but I guess I've been getting no energy from the "evil shakes". Blame Today Tonight who said that ISOWHEY was a miracle weight loss product..... Okay I know - I'm a sucker!!!! (I'm also a sucker who has gained 1.5 kilos this week on them - and feel like crap).

PaulandNic Feb 23rd 2009 8:12 am

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Can anyone tell me if this is correct please? ... :confused:

Nic was last on 75mcg of thyroxine. The doctor who has put her on piggy has put her on 2 'grains' I think they're called, she's been taking it for 2 weeks now.

Over the last couple of days Nic's been feeling very tired again, and is wondering if the 2 grains isn't enough? ... :confused: ... she seems to think it was 1 grain for each 25mcg of thyroxine! ... :confused:

You'd think to go ask your doctor! ... but it certainly appears she gets better advice here!

Same doc incidently told her to cut out carbs if she wants to lose weight! ... :rolleyes:

Cheers docs! ... :D

PaulandNic Feb 23rd 2009 8:34 am

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Originally Posted by MarkMC (Post 7312921)
Dr B has told Kerry it can take 12 months plus depending up on how much damage has been done... Just eat healthy in the mean time, it will happen eventually.

Sorry, missed this.

Well I'd guess Nic's thyroid has been shot to pieces so it could be a long wait!

Thanks for the info ... :)

TiddlyPom Feb 23rd 2009 11:54 am

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Originally Posted by MarkMC (Post 7312220)
That is just what Dr B told me this morning, she was so pleased with the change in me since November. But she did say that the weight will start to drop off in about 6-9 months as my body needs to repair from the damage it has had done to it so far with my badly control thyroid condition. She said I am very healthy and have great blood pressure and heart rate so just to carry on the way I am going.

Kerry :)

Great stuff Kerry. Sounds great.


Originally Posted by PaulandNic (Post 7312510)
The shakes will go, and I know she doesn't eat 'junk' so I guess she'll just have to abide by these rules and be patient!

Thank you

Yup, heal the damage first... then think about weight. Exercise will help in the meantime... plus it stimulates thyroid activity.



Originally Posted by webgum (Post 7312561)
Thank you Tiddlypom for your patience in answering my longwinded 'blog'!!

I live in Perth BTW, and you've answered what I knew deep down already, that a specialist is the way to go.

S'all right... you should read mine... :lol:


Originally Posted by webgum (Post 7312561)
As an aside, I was watching <whispers> Oprah <whispers> today and she was talking about her own thyroid issues. Dr Oz talked about the importance of not relying on test results to give you the answers to your problem, but that what your body tells you is the best indicator of whether you are managing your thyroid properly. Such wise words.....all I need now is to find a specialist who feels the same way.

thanks a huge bunch - I really appreciate it!!!!

I think I found a Perth guy earlier on in this thread. Have a look back and give him a call.

Ah, Oprah.... bless her. She's still on T4 (Thyroxine) only and still can't work out why she's not getting better....
You need a symptoms doctor, not a numbers doctor. They do exist.
Good luck. It's worth paying for - there's nothing better than feeling good.

TiddlyPom Feb 23rd 2009 12:17 pm

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Originally Posted by MarkMC (Post 7312921)
Dr B has told Kerry it can take 12 months plus depending up on how much damage has been done... Just eat healthy in the mean time, it will happen eventually.

12 months as a minimum I would say if you've been very ill with it.


Originally Posted by midgetjan (Post 7313192)
Well I have to admit you're right there - I tried the Atkins Diet Induction for 8 weeks and gained 3lbs :eek: Over the same period of time my hubby lost 14 kilos.

I did Atkins when I was well and lost a tonne (well, not exactly a tonne but you get the idea). Then I did it as a last resort when I was ill and I lost 3lb which was water.
Nothing else at all.

Once I was optimally treated, I lost all my weight. Over the past 2years I've lost about 4 stone or something. It's a lot anyway.


Originally Posted by midgetjan (Post 7313192)
I didn't get a chance to call the doctor today as I was flat out at work and didn't even get 5 minutes free to phone. My knuckles are aching and I'm so tired but I guess I've been getting no energy from the "evil shakes". Blame Today Tonight who said that ISOWHEY was a miracle weight loss product..... Okay I know - I'm a sucker!!!! (I'm also a sucker who has gained 1.5 kilos this week on them - and feel like crap).

Yes ... you need good nutrition at the mo. Ditch the dried stuff. Isowhey is just high protein... might work for you later on, but not now.


Originally Posted by PaulandNic (Post 7315270)
Can anyone tell me if this is correct please? ... :confused:

Nic was last on 75mcg of thyroxine. The doctor who has put her on piggy has put her on 2 'grains' I think they're called, she's been taking it for 2 weeks now.

Over the last couple of days Nic's been feeling very tired again, and is wondering if the 2 grains isn't enough? ... :confused: ... she seems to think it was 1 grain for each 25mcg of thyroxine! ... :confused:

You'd think to go ask your doctor! ... but it certainly appears she gets better advice here!

Same doc incidently told her to cut out carbs if she wants to lose weight! ... :rolleyes:

Hmmmmmmm! :rolleyes: Sure, cut out the chips and dips, the cake, the mashed potato... insert brown rice and healthy veggies... you need carbs, but not BAD carbs!

It depends on what the measurements are on the pig stuff she's taking. Donna's at the same doc, yes? Perhaps she knows what the pharmacy levels are....
Either way, feeling tired for a couple of days might be an indication of other things... and not necessarily her rate of medication... However, given she wasn't on very high levels in the first place, it would be wise to ring the doc and ask whether she can introduce a grain in at about 3 pm to raise the levels a bit and see how that works.



Originally Posted by PaulandNic (Post 7315346)
Sorry, missed this.

Well I'd guess Nic's thyroid has been shot to pieces so it could be a long wait!

Thanks for the info ... :)

It could be. About a year, 18 months?

TiddlyPom Feb 23rd 2009 1:19 pm

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I'm getting some lovely karma for this thread:

'Have some karma for your wonderful Thyroid threat'

and

'Thanking you from the heart of my bottom!'

You're all very silly.

PaulandNic Feb 23rd 2009 6:03 pm

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Originally Posted by TiddlyPom (Post 7315969)
It could be. About a year, 18 months?

Her original GP here told her it'll 'fall off' once she starts taking her thyroxine ... :rolleyes:

Does amaze me how these people are allowed to practice you know.

PaulandNic Feb 23rd 2009 8:54 pm

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Originally Posted by TiddlyPom (Post 7315969)
Hmmmmmmm! :rolleyes: Sure, cut out the chips and dips, the cake, the mashed potato... insert brown rice and healthy veggies... you need carbs, but not BAD carbs!

It depends on what the measurements are on the pig stuff she's taking. Donna's at the same doc, yes? Perhaps she knows what the pharmacy levels are....
Either way, feeling tired for a couple of days might be an indication of other things... and not necessarily her rate of medication... However, given she wasn't on very high levels in the first place, it would be wise to ring the doc and ask whether she can introduce a grain in at about 3 pm to raise the levels a bit and see how that works.

TOTALLY missed this earlier ... :o

Yeah well as I've said before, she's pretty good with what's good and bad for you so has no white bread, pasta, rice etc, and is very much a healthy eater.

I've showed her what you said about the extra grain. I think she's gonna ask her.

Oh and does anyone know if your 'normal' GP can prescribe this piggy one?

Nic's been given this by the doc Donna uses, but we're just wondering do we HAVE to go back for future scripts? ... :unsure:

donna Feb 23rd 2009 9:10 pm

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Originally Posted by PaulandNic (Post 7317122)
TOTALLY missed this earlier ... :o

Yeah well as I've said before, she's pretty good with what's good and bad for you so has no white bread, pasta, rice etc, and is very much a healthy eater.

I've showed her what you said about the extra grain. I think she's gonna ask her.

Oh and does anyone know if your 'normal' GP can prescribe this piggy one?

Nic's been given this by the doc Donna uses, but we're just wondering do we HAVE to go back for future scripts? ... :unsure:

3 grains =195mg
She is more than happy 4 someone else to prescribe,i just took my old bottle to everyday dr and he prescribed 4 me.

midgetjan Feb 23rd 2009 9:58 pm

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I think I found a Perth guy earlier on in this thread. Have a look back and give him a call.



Dr Salim Ismail was the one you recommended for Perth. I called him today. He is not taking on new patients for the foreseeable future. I left my name to be added to the waiting list...........

Came home from work exhausted today - fell out with OH for saying something stupid. Went to bed (4pm) and was all weepy and feeling sorry for myself. NOT like me but I told him I'm just too exhausted to cope.

He made my dinner and massaged my feet. Think he knows I'm almost at breaking point.

I just want the old me back - she felt younger!!!!!

webgum Feb 24th 2009 2:12 am

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Originally Posted by midgetjan (Post 7317271)
I think I found a Perth guy earlier on in this thread. Have a look back and give him a call.



Dr Salim Ismail was the one you recommended for Perth. I called him today. He is not taking on new patients for the foreseeable future. I left my name to be added to the waiting list...........


Thanks for tracking that down. His name rings a bell from some previous research that I did. I suppose I can just add my name to his list!!

I have another friend here in Perth with thyroid probs, and her specialist was demanding once a month blood test and once a month consultations. She couldn't afford him!!!! she had bad feelings that he was just out there to suck some money off her.......I'll check out his name so we can give him a wide berth!

ausi dream Mar 11th 2009 10:32 pm

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Hello every one, how are you all? It has been very quite on here lately.

Just an update as i go for my thyroid scan tomorrow afternoon, bit nervous the old tummy is going a bit.:unsure:
Saturday i have got my other scan to see what damage the mini stroke has done and why.
Shall update you when i know more.
Perhaps some Karma would be good, long time since receiving any.:(
I dont know what is it like when a girl has to ask for it?;)

midgetjan Mar 11th 2009 11:04 pm

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I've topped you up xx

Hope all goes well for you.

I'm still tired but not as bad as I was 2 or 3 weeks ago. I was crying then I felt so bad.

I'm just checking to see if it's related to my monthly cycle......

Going to see my GP next week.

Kooky. Mar 11th 2009 11:06 pm

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All the very best, Ausi.

Well I've had most of my test results now, thyroid pretty much as expected but apparently my other hormones should be twice what they are and Dr B can't believe I don't have hot flushes. I'm obviously not absorbing the BHRT which could account for my still deteriorating bones.

My LFT results are slightly elevated and I'm suspicious that the osteo drugs are causing that but at this stage dare not stop them.

ausi dream Mar 12th 2009 11:15 am

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Originally Posted by midgetjan (Post 7371272)
I've topped you up xx

Hope all goes well for you.

I'm still tired but not as bad as I was 2 or 3 weeks ago. I was crying then I felt so bad.

I'm just checking to see if it's related to my monthly cycle......

Going to see my GP next week.

Thank you for the top up, hope all goes well for you.

ausi dream Mar 12th 2009 11:22 am

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Originally Posted by Seasider (Post 7371281)
All the very best, Ausi.

Well I've had most of my test results now, thyroid pretty much as expected but apparently my other hormones should be twice what they are and Dr B can't believe I don't have hot flushes. I'm obviously not absorbing the BHRT which could account for my still deteriorating bones.

My LFT results are slightly elevated and I'm suspicious that the osteo drugs are causing that but at this stage dare not stop them.

Thanks Seasider, sorry to hear you are still having problems sorting things out.
Since having the mini stroke that they suspect, i have been having terrible hot flushes even though i am on two dosage of meds a day.
I phoned up the doctors to see if i could up the dosage some more to sort it out a bit, but they said on no account too. So i am stuck at the moment with them.
A cold wet flannel by the side of the bed at night does the trick, when you feel a flush coming on slap the flannel on your forehead or tummy and it cools you down quite quick.
All the best,
ausi.

Kooky. Mar 12th 2009 11:38 am

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Originally Posted by ausi dream (Post 7373830)
Thanks Seasider, sorry to hear you are still having problems sorting things out.
Since having the mini stroke that they suspect, i have been having terrible hot flushes even though i am on two dosage of meds a day.
I phoned up the doctors to see if i could up the dosage some more to sort it out a bit, but they said on no account too. So i am stuck at the moment with them.
A cold wet flannel by the side of the bed at night does the trick, when you feel a flush coming on slap the flannel on your forehead or tummy and it cools you down quite quick.
All the best,
ausi.

Thanks, ausi. I don't actually have flushes if I'm on HRT - however as soon as I stop it they start up, despite it being years since I had my hyst (1997). Doc can't understand that I'm NOT one big walking hot flush given that my levels are so low. :D That I can live with; it's the osteoporosis that concerns me greatly as I've already had one bad break (well technically 2 bones) and I'm still only 46.

Only 46. Never thought I'd say that. :lol:

Sorry, I know this is not thyroid-specific but it is all related to autoimmune and hormone problems, especially as my downward slope started with endometriosis.

TiddlyPom Mar 12th 2009 1:59 pm

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Originally Posted by Seasider (Post 7373879)
Sorry, I know this is not thyroid-specific but it is all related to autoimmune and hormone problems, especially as my downward slope started with endometriosis.


It's all related S. No problem! Keep it coming because we need to be aware of how these things link for us all.

ausi dream Mar 16th 2009 6:58 am

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Went for my thyroid ultra sound check and asked afterwards how things were and was told no lumps, bumps or nodules. But the thyroid was so small that it was virtually not there at all.
Was told that this would be expected for a thyroid of mine, having been on thyroxine for so many years.

TiddlyPom Mar 16th 2009 12:04 pm

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Originally Posted by ausi dream (Post 7385610)
Went for my thyroid ultra sound check and asked afterwards how things were and was told no lumps, bumps or nodules. But the thyroid was so small that it was virtually not there at all.
Was told that this would be expected for a thyroid of mine, having been on thyroxine for so many years.

I guess if you've been taking enough of the stuff... but wow, I never knew it had that sort of effect over time!

Glad to hear there are no lumps or bumps. That's great news.

midgetjan Mar 17th 2009 5:28 pm

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Okay went to the doctor this morning and she was really nice and listened to all my grumbles.

She suggested I exercised more to lose the excess weight. I told her it's a vicious circle as I'm too bloody tired to walk let alone do aerobics. I know I'd feel better if I could exercise and lose the weight. Told her I've been going for long walks, as I felt this was a start.

Told her my knuckles ached and my back hurt when I got up in the morning. She said I'm at the age where I could be getting arthritis.

She seemed more interested in chatting about all the stress I was under. She did listen to me though, which was nice and I didn't feel at all rushed.

She checked my height:weight ratio, which I told her gave me a BMI of about 29 (I was right). She checked my blood pressure, which was fine.

I told her my eyesight was getting worse and she said it's normal to need your prescription changed a few times in the first year you need glasses.

I have a family history of heart disease as well as thyroid so she's going to test me for diabetes, thyroid, cholesterol and also check my hormone levels. She's also going to check to see if I'm anaemic.

I'm having the blood test tomorrow. She couldn't do it today as it's a fasting blood test.

Told her I wanted a full thyroid panel with T3 and T4 results - she said this was standard (we'll see).



I have to go back and see her in 2 weeks time.

ausi dream Mar 18th 2009 12:58 am

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Originally Posted by midgetjan (Post 7391839)
Okay went to the doctor this morning and she was really nice and listened to all my grumbles.

She suggested I exercised more to lose the excess weight. I told her it's a vicious circle as I'm too bloody tired to walk let alone do aerobics. I know I'd feel better if I could exercise and lose the weight. Told her I've been going for long walks, as I felt this was a start.

Told her my knuckles ached and my back hurt when I got up in the morning. She said I'm at the age where I could be getting arthritis.

She seemed more interested in chatting about all the stress I was under. She did listen to me though, which was nice and I didn't feel at all rushed.

She checked my height:weight ratio, which I told her gave me a BMI of about 29 (I was right). She checked my blood pressure, which was fine.

I told her my eyesight was getting worse and she said it's normal to need your prescription changed a few times in the first year you need glasses.

I have a family history of heart disease as well as thyroid so she's going to test me for diabetes, thyroid, cholesterol and also check my hormone levels. She's also going to check to see if I'm anaemic.

I'm having the blood test tomorrow. She couldn't do it today as it's a fasting blood test.

Told her I wanted a full thyroid panel with T3 and T4 results - she said this was standard (we'll see).



I have to go back and see her in 2 weeks time.

Well hopefully after having all that done, you should be getting some results that might help.
Wish you well,
ausi.

midgetjan Mar 18th 2009 1:59 am

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For all you medically minded people here's what my sheet for the blood clinic is requesting:

fbc fe stores tft oe prog lh fsh lipids including hdl and ldl fasting blood glucose

Currently doing the fasting bit - blood test in the morning - results on April 1st

TiddlyPom Mar 18th 2009 12:14 pm

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Originally Posted by midgetjan (Post 7393394)
For all you medically minded people here's what my sheet for the blood clinic is requesting:

fbc fe stores tft oe prog lh fsh lipids including hdl and ldl fasting blood glucose

Currently doing the fasting bit - blood test in the morning - results on April 1st

fbc=full blood count
fe = iron
tft = thyroid function test
fsh = follicle stimulating hormone (menopause)
lipids = cholesterol - can be raised in thyroid cases

Looks good.

midgetjan Mar 18th 2009 12:50 pm

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Thanks TP.

:D

Rachel13 Mar 18th 2009 1:39 pm

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I've been following this and the old thread for months from UK and getting no-where with my doctor there so decided to wait till I got to Oz.

Now I'm here I have been to a doctor and finally got the FT4 & FT3 tests done.

My results are:-

FT3 4.5 (range 2.8-7.1)
FT4 20.6 (range 9.0-25.0)
TSH 0.16 (0.40-4.00)

He says that with my TSH so low and the others within range I should stay on my current level of thyroxine.

The trouble is I still don't feel totally right particularly with all the extra weight I am carrying round my middle and it doesn't matter how much I excercise or how good I am with my food I just can't shift it.

Anyone got any advice on what I should do next?

Rachel

TiddlyPom Mar 19th 2009 11:35 am

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Originally Posted by Rachel13 (Post 7395973)
I've been following this and the old thread for months from UK and getting no-where with my doctor there so decided to wait till I got to Oz.

Now I'm here I have been to a doctor and finally got the FT4 & FT3 tests done.

My results are:-

FT3 4.5 (range 2.8-7.1)
FT4 20.6 (range 9.0-25.0)
TSH 0.16 (0.40-4.00)

He says that with my TSH so low and the others within range I should stay on my current level of thyroxine.

The trouble is I still don't feel totally right particularly with all the extra weight I am carrying round my middle and it doesn't matter how much I excercise or how good I am with my food I just can't shift it.

Anyone got any advice on what I should do next?

Rachel

AS I understand it, both fT3 and FT4 are better if they are in their upper ranges. There's discussion about what the ratio should be but I would say that you may feel better if you are supplemented with T3 to raise that a little. THe ratio should be 7:1 or below.

Have a look at this:
http://www.altsupportthyroid.org/t3.php

Also, are you taking any supplementation at all?

Rachel13 Mar 19th 2009 12:14 pm

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Originally Posted by TiddlyPom (Post 7399502)
AS I understand it, both fT3 and FT4 are better if they are in their upper ranges. There's discussion about what the ratio should be but I would say that you may feel better if you are supplemented with T3 to raise that a little. THe ratio should be 7:1 or below.

Have a look at this:
http://www.altsupportthyroid.org/t3.php

Also, are you taking any supplementation at all?

Thanks. I'll have a good read but do doctors in Oz actually take any notice of articles on the net. I tried 3 different ones back in UK and they all rubbished it.

No I am not taking any supplements as I find it very confusing to know what would be best.


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