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Old Oct 16th 2011, 9:02 pm
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Originally Posted by sonlymewalter View Post
oooerrrr a pub dinner a pint and football. you really know how to live it up mate
Must admit it sounds like a great way to spend a Sunday afternoon
I've wasted many an hour back home doing just that!
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Old Oct 16th 2011, 9:22 pm
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Originally Posted by sonlymewalter View Post
oooerrrr a pub dinner a pint and football. you really know how to live it up mate
Yeah i do,enjoy yer boring life in oz:rolleye s:
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Old Oct 16th 2011, 10:04 pm
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For those who don't know the answer....

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Old Oct 16th 2011, 11:36 pm
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Presumably neither would hit the ground? No gravity. Outside a vacuum I would say canonball.
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Old Oct 17th 2011, 12:04 am
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Originally Posted by Wol View Post
I think the lack of understanding is extraordinarily important.

What is demonstrated is a complete lack of knowledge of how the world works, and this leads to the widespread belief in all sorts of whacky notions - homeopathy, UFOs, dowsing, tarot readings, astrology, crystals, telepathy, pyramids, hands-on healing, religions...
...human induced climate change.

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Not one of them has ever been demonstrated to be "real" under properly controlled experimental conditions - only shown to be mistaken, random or more often fraudulent.
Wouldn't want you to leave out the biggest pseudoscience scam of recent years, Old Thing. It certainly hasn't been shown to be "real" under any properly controlled experimental conditions except those punched into a computer model. And you are very right, a scientifically uneducated public are completely at the mercy of this sort of scam.
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Old Oct 17th 2011, 12:38 am
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Originally Posted by iamthecreaturefromuranus View Post
For those who don't know the answer....

http://youtube.com/watch?v=5C5_dOEyAfk
But they never really landed on the moon did they. I was all filmed on a set out in the desert somewhere, but one or two of the 'astronauts' tried to escape to tell the media the real story. I think they were recaptured and killed. I think Jimmy Carter was the President at the time, or it might've been that Nixon chap.
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But they never really landed on the moon did they. I was all filmed on a set out in the desert somewhere, but one or two of the 'astronauts' tried to escape to tell the media the real story. I think they were recaptured and killed. I think Jimmy Carter was the President at the time, or it might've been that Nixon chap.

Erm, wasn't that a movie?


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Originally Posted by Wol View Post
I think the lack of understanding is extraordinarily important.

What is demonstrated is a complete lack of knowledge of how the world works, and this leads to the widespread belief in all sorts of whacky notions - homeopathy, UFOs, dowsing, tarot readings, astrology, crystals, telepathy, pyramids, hands-on healing, religions - you name it. Not one of them has ever been demonstrated to be "real" under properly controlled experimental conditions - only shown to be mistaken, random or more often fraudulent.

You only have to look at the yards and yards of books dealing with the whacky in the booksellers to see how the irrational has taken hold.

These floozies almost certainly have and use smartphones: their iphones didn't appear magically because some longhaired guru stuffed together a few bits of wire and a crystal and declared it would enable you to talk to someone the other side of the planet. They were the result of years of finding out how nature works, developing electronics, metallurgy, plastics and all the rest.

If we've sunk so low in the intelligence stakes that maths is seen to be all relative, that two plus two makes five if you really believe it does, then pretty soon the price of lettuce in Coles won't matter - because no-one will know how to make the equipment and infrastructure that gets it there.

I've just watched the clip, and surely it's a piss-take? I mean Miss Vermont would never qualify for a Miss USA pageant.
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Erm, wasn't that a movie?


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I'll call this video a load of bollocks. Those chicks are hardly MissUSA material.
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Originally Posted by Wol View Post
I think the lack of understanding is extraordinarily important.

What is demonstrated is a complete lack of knowledge of how the world works, and this leads to the widespread belief in all sorts of whacky notions - homeopathy, UFOs, dowsing, tarot readings, astrology, crystals, telepathy, pyramids, hands-on healing, religions - you name it. Not one of them has ever been demonstrated to be "real" under properly controlled experimental conditions - only shown to be mistaken, random or more often fraudulent.

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Problem I have with all of this is you can link today's supposedly advanced science especially in relation to understanding the Universe in with the other whacky notions. Our understanding of the Universe is still at the whacky stage.

Light Wave or Particle ?
Vacuum Empty or full of unknown matter ?
Gravity.... where/what is it and why did it exist before the big bang... if there was indeed a big bang ?
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Originally Posted by ozzieeagle View Post
Problem I have with all of this is you can link today's supposedly advanced science especially in relation to understanding the Universe in with the other whacky notions. Our understanding of the Universe is still at the whacky stage.

Light Wave or Particle ?
Vacuum Empty or full of unknown matter ?
Gravity.... where/what is it and why did it exist before the big bang... if there was indeed a big bang ?
'Dark Matter' is a cracking example of that....
The Universe should have more in it than we can see... so lets invent something we can't see to make up the difference and call it dark matter. Now all the theories fit nicely... right up until the point where those theories start to unravel as they seem to be doing right now.
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Originally Posted by iamthecreaturefromuranus View Post
'Dark Matter' is a cracking example of that....
The Universe should have more in it than we can see... so lets invent something we can't see to make up the difference and call it dark matter. Now all the theories fit nicely... right up until the point where those theories start to unravel as they seem to be doing right now.
The good thing about scientific theories is that whether they are wrong or right, the universe doesn't depend on them. If the theory of gravity is proved wrong, the planets don't all fly off into space, if the theory of natural selection is proved wrong, we are still all descended from a common ancestor.

On the other hand, if God didn't make the world in seven days, then the whole Bible is as much closely printed toilet paper.
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Originally Posted by iamthecreaturefromuranus View Post
'Dark Matter' is a cracking example of that....
The Universe should have more in it than we can see... so lets invent something we can't see to make up the difference and call it dark matter. Now all the theories fit nicely... right up until the point where those theories start to unravel as they seem to be doing right now.
But that's all ok, because they're only 'theoretical'. That's how science works.
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Originally Posted by iamthecreaturefromuranus View Post
'Dark Matter' is a cracking example of that....
The Universe should have more in it than we can see... so lets invent something we can't see to make up the difference and call it dark matter. Now all the theories fit nicely... right up until the point where those theories start to unravel as they seem to be doing right now.

Science is full of stuff like that - things that don't quite fit into our current understanding, so we have to put a 'placeholder' theory in position until we do understand exactly what is going on.

Dark matter is a great example of that - the mass of objects within the universe is something that can only really be estimated by examining the effects that they have on the gravity around them. With dark matter, astronomers can see that there is something having some sort of gravitational effect on the universe around it, but at this distance can't see exactly what it is. So they suggest the theory of dark matter. The race now is to refine that theory, and find out what is exactly causing the effects they are seeing.

The beauty of scientific theory is that scientists will always strive to better their knowledge and understanding of something, and in many cases, this means throwing out what they originally thought was fact. If the new evidence teaches away from what is already known, then there's good chance that what was already known was wrong. A layman's example of this would be the earth being flat and it later being discovered to be spherical. A more advanced example being the plum pudding model of the atom: Just over 100 years ago, scientist thought that atoms were a mass of positive charge with negative charge dotted over it randomly, like a plum pudding. This was disproved by Rutherford in 1909, and his alpha particle scattering experiment, which created the foundation to our current theories of the atom.

This is the key difference between science and belief. Science works on the basis of evidence, and can be considered to be a constantly changing flux of evidence and theories. Belief on the other hand relies on dogmatic acceptance of what is being told, and doesn't accept any questioning of that teaching. It also conveniently obviates the need to seek any evidence for its support because you have to accept it 'on faith' or be cast out as a denier.


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