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Re: Tasmania (and Australia generally) extremely bad educational standards
Originally Posted by GarryP
(Post 11138438)
Numbers for the UK are quoted as 16-17% functionally illiterate, and 20% functionally innumerate. Those are still bad, but ...
I hope to hell there are different definitions of 'functionally illiterate/innumerate' at play here, because if not, that's a big gap compared to what is still a poor performer. |
Re: Tasmania (and Australia generally) extremely bad educational standards
Originally Posted by brissybee
(Post 11138511)
A good teacher doesn't need to "break in" students. A good teacher has the intelligence to structure education in a way that students want to learn.
There will always be a minority of kids who simply don't want to learn but I believe the main body of apathy sits bitching in the staff room. Education via the cane is the way to go. Threats of violence will focus young minds |
Re: Tasmania (and Australia generally) extremely bad educational standards
Originally Posted by jad n rich
(Post 11138302)
But its "world class" :lol: everything is world class, yeah..
Seriously my youngest teen in English in Grade 12 last year, was horrified how many kids could not get up and read from Shakespeare. They just couldn't read it. This was OP (kids going for a UNI score ) level English. Mind you the school had a real thing about Sport, and the amount of kids that were pulled out of high school English and Maths to attend sporting events. Then they get priority points to get into Courses ( Lift 2 rankings for UNI ) because the play sport. My son is fluent in Spanish, same with the kids who did Japanese, worked really hard at it and you get one extra rank for a second language. :confused: |
Re: Tasmania (and Australia generally) extremely bad educational standards
... .... and of course there is an easy answer to all this. Don't leech off the state and send them private. They can be both sports persons and scholars.
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Re: Tasmania (and Australia generally) extremely bad educational standards
Originally Posted by Beoz
(Post 11138613)
... .... and of course there is an easy answer to all this. Don't leech off the state and send them private. They can be both sports persons and scholars.
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Re: Tasmania (and Australia generally) extremely bad educational standards
Originally Posted by Beoz
(Post 11138611)
Pardon my ignorance. But what use is Spanish and Shakespeare?
Spanish, is of massive use, any second language is. In many jobs for sure, its an advantage. Plus in Countries like USA its almost as useful as knowing English. In his personal case he will be studying BA Health, (emergency medicine, paramedic), I imagine Paramedics with more than one language are pretty useful. |
Re: Tasmania (and Australia generally) extremely bad educational standards
Originally Posted by Amazulu
(Post 11138476)
Australia's education system is no better or worse than many other western countries - including the UK
There is too much socialst bullshit in education. Get the basics done well - backed up by strict discipline. Break the little f**kers in Tasmania (and the rest of Australia) is spending plenty on education. Sort the teachers and system out. Get rid of the liberal bullshit. Hammer the parents if they don't do their bit Sorted Every Wednesday evening, I walk past the local netball court, and the number of kids who should be doing homework, are play in the weekly competition (not to mention other sports that are played during the week). When I was that age, I was never allowed to go outside or watch "the idiot box", as my dad used to call it, until homework was finished. |
Re: Tasmania (and Australia generally) extremely bad educational standards
Originally Posted by The Bloke
(Post 11138788)
.... and parents are screaming that kids are doing too much homework - ie, they want homework to be discontinued.
Every Wednesday evening, I walk past the local netball court, and the number of kids who should be doing homework, are play in the weekly competition (not to mention other sports that are played during the week). When I was that age, I was never allowed to go outside or watch "the idiot box", as my dad used to call it, until homework was finished. |
Re: Tasmania (and Australia generally) extremely bad educational standards
Originally Posted by Amazulu
(Post 11138553)
Unfortunately there are not many good teachers but plenty of poor and average ones
Education via the cane is the way to go. Threats of violence will focus young minds Absolutely not. Anyone touches my kids, they'll get a not so friendly visit from me. |
Re: Tasmania (and Australia generally) extremely bad educational standards
Originally Posted by Amazulu
(Post 11138799)
Yep. Focus on the basics. Instill discipline and hard work when they are young. The rest will sort itself out
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Re: Tasmania (and Australia generally) extremely bad educational standards
Originally Posted by scottishcelts
(Post 11138804)
Yes but leaving out the violence and threats of violence.
Get 'em racked and stacked early on |
Re: Tasmania (and Australia generally) extremely bad educational standards
Originally Posted by Amazulu
(Post 11138816)
Leave that in
Get 'em racked and stacked early on |
Re: Tasmania (and Australia generally) extremely bad educational standards
Originally Posted by brissybee
(Post 11138511)
A good teacher doesn't need to "break in" students. A good teacher has the intelligence to structure education in a way that students want to learn.
There will always be a minority of kids who simply don't want to learn but I believe the main body of apathy sits bitching in the staff room. Nope, you need the kid to WANT to learn, to understand why they NEED to learn - that it's not just torture with no point. That step has always been missing as far as I can see - its always been "do this because we tell you to". Much, much better to get in them the desire to learn, then the rest takes care of itself. And there is no excuse for not using technology to deliver personalised, tailored, education with high quality 'lessons' and interesting, purposeful examples such that they can remember the point. Flipped classrooms give even useless teachers a role. If you clear out the rote cr*p you have space to get them to actually learn. There is no point in remembering facts any more, dump it. Literacy isn't remembered facts, neither is numeracy - they are skills and knowledge of how. FFS, you could give them a tablet each for $50, included with it a year's worth of videoed lessons, a library of books, etc. If the useless parents won't read to them, give the youngsters a tablet that will. This is shades of Neil Stephenson's 'Diamond Age' - but why the hell haven't we moved forward towards that level of personalisation yet? $100m would do it - more point that wasting billions on something that obviously isn't working. |
Re: Tasmania (and Australia generally) extremely bad educational standards
Originally Posted by bcworld
(Post 11138700)
Well private schools are funded by $10billion of taxpayers money so they're already 'leeching' off the state.
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Re: Tasmania (and Australia generally) extremely bad educational standards
Originally Posted by Grayling
(Post 11138817)
If that is the way you were brought up it didn't stop you turning out a dickhead did it?
You know how that is going to end up! |
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