Tasmania (and Australia generally) extremely bad educational standards
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2014-02-1...levels/5270968
Over half of the population illiterate, and more than half of 15 year old below the baselines (illiterate and innumerate). General australia isn't much better on 42% being below the baseline. That's a frightening level of failure that frankly shocked me. I'd kind of assumed it might be 5-10%. With the unskilled jobs disappearing, and competition from SE Asia, how the hell could they have got into this scale of mess? It does explain Seven, Nine, Foxtel, etc. though... |
Re: Tasmania (and Australia generally) extremely bad educational standards
Originally Posted by GarryP
(Post 11138287)
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2014-02-1...levels/5270968
Over half of the population illiterate, and more than half of 15 year old below the baselines (illiterate and innumerate). General australia isn't much better on 42% being below the baseline. That's a frightening level of failure that frankly shocked me. I'd kind of assumed it might be 5-10%. With the unskilled jobs disappearing, and competition from SE Asia, how the hell could they have got into this scale of mess? It does explain Seven, Nine, Foxtel, etc. though... Seriously my youngest teen in English in Grade 12 last year, was horrified how many kids could not get up and read from Shakespeare. They just couldn't read it. This was OP (kids going for a UNI score ) level English. Mind you the school had a real thing about Sport, and the amount of kids that were pulled out of high school English and Maths to attend sporting events. Then they get priority points to get into Courses ( Lift 2 rankings for UNI ) because the play sport. My son is fluent in Spanish, same with the kids who did Japanese, worked really hard at it and you get one extra rank for a second language. :confused: |
Re: Tasmania (and Australia generally) extremely bad educational standards
I don't hear constant references to world class but then I am not on the tabloid channels. I read the quality papers and commentaries and deficiencies are commented on - where things work well - that is also commented on. I am not sure which media some people consume! Australia is nowhere near the top of many OECD nations but then nor is the UK or US. I do occasionally hear pollies wanting 'world class' but getting there is somewhere else...
Education:(this is what I have noticed independently of BE or Australia - it is what grips me) To be perfectly honest there are many '3rd world' countries I have experience of that don't have world class supermarkets (joke - I am sure the UK wins that one!), bags of choice, world-class infrastructure, et cetera that would put 1st world countries to shame when it comes to education. Their primary school children get a workload and syllabus and a rigour that we in the First World would have got several generations ago. The thing is that in the Third World a smaller section get educated, education is not provided for all - but when it is done - it is done well. |
Re: Tasmania (and Australia generally) extremely bad educational standards
I've been trawling through their 'standards' trying to work out just what baseline is. Can't find it explicitly.
I think, at a rough guess, they are 2-3 years adrift of what we were doing at the same age *mumble* years ago, and they should be BETTER than we were - it's a hell of a lot easier to deliver high quality tuition. If they aren't even hitting these woeful standards :blink: |
Re: Tasmania (and Australia generally) extremely bad educational standards
If it didn't affect the reputation (or hip pocket) of schools and teachers I doubt there would be too many of them who would care if students did well or not.
With respect to any good teachers there may be out there... there are many really bad ones in my opinion. My faith in the education system is right up there alongside the health system. |
Re: Tasmania (and Australia generally) extremely bad educational standards
Originally Posted by BadgeIsBack
(Post 11138313)
I read the quality papers
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Re: Tasmania (and Australia generally) extremely bad educational standards
Originally Posted by bcworld
(Post 11138399)
Which are these?
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Re: Tasmania (and Australia generally) extremely bad educational standards
Numbers for the UK are quoted as 16-17% functionally illiterate, and 20% functionally innumerate. Those are still bad, but ...
I hope to hell there are different definitions of 'functionally illiterate/innumerate' at play here, because if not, that's a big gap compared to what is still a poor performer. |
Re: Tasmania (and Australia generally) extremely bad educational standards
Originally Posted by GarryP
(Post 11138319)
I've been trawling through their 'standards' trying to work out just what baseline is. Can't find it explicitly.
I think, at a rough guess, they are 2-3 years adrift of what we were doing at the same age *mumble* years ago, and they should be BETTER than we were - it's a hell of a lot easier to deliver high quality tuition. If they aren't even hitting these woeful standards :blink: In the same article you posted they have stats for children of various ages not hitting 'minimum standard' which is clearly something different from 'baseline' as it is only 5-10% in that category. Meanwhile, other sources have Aus education doing OK http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/education-24433320 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of..._literacy_rate So it seems this Grattan group have some kind of agenda, not that trying to raise education standards is a bad one. |
Re: Tasmania (and Australia generally) extremely bad educational standards
Originally Posted by JoeBloggs80
(Post 11138445)
So it seems this Grattan group have some kind of agenda, not that trying to raise education standards is a bad one.
Functional illiteracy is defined as having language be a barrier to being part of the modern world - so they would have trouble with things like; an inability to sufficiently order from a menu, interpret medical labels, read maps and road signs, use the Internet adequately, read instruction booklets, etc. It seems there are a series of problems:
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Re: Tasmania (and Australia generally) extremely bad educational standards
Australia's education system is no better or worse than many other western countries - including the UK
There is too much socialst bullshit in education. Get the basics done well - backed up by strict discipline. Break the little f**kers in Tasmania (and the rest of Australia) is spending plenty on education. Sort the teachers and system out. Get rid of the liberal bullshit. Hammer the parents if they don't do their bit Sorted |
Re: Tasmania (and Australia generally) extremely bad educational standards
Originally Posted by BadgeIsBack
(Post 11138429)
The ones that are not tabloid. Old definition: not used as an adjective! It might surprise the forum that these papers contain articles that criticise education, industry etc.
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Re: Tasmania (and Australia generally) extremely bad educational standards
On the other hand, I bet most kids are far better than using at using an iPad than their parents
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Re: Tasmania (and Australia generally) extremely bad educational standards
Originally Posted by Amazulu
(Post 11138476)
Australia's education system is no better or worse than many other western countries - including the UK
There is too much socialst bullshit in education. Get the basics done well - backed up by strict discipline. Break the little f**kers in Tasmania (and the rest of Australia) is spending plenty on education. Sort the teachers and system out. Get rid of the liberal bullshit. Hammer the parents if they don't do their bit Sorted There will always be a minority of kids who simply don't want to learn but I believe the main body of apathy sits bitching in the staff room. |
Re: Tasmania (and Australia generally) extremely bad educational standards
Originally Posted by brissybee
(Post 11138511)
A good teacher doesn't need to "break in" students. A good teacher has the intelligence to structure education in a way that students want to learn.
There will always be a minority of kids who simply don't want to learn but I believe the main body of apathy sits bitching in the staff room. |
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