Originally Posted by Thydney (Post 8059817)

So you dont work hard? I don't try hard. Not everyone can make it there are so many variables in life and working hard has sweet FA to do with it

Originally Posted by Swerv-o (Post 8059820)

It's a good start though...


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Originally Posted by Thydney (Post 8059817)

So you dont work hard? I don't try hard. Not everyone can make it there are so many variables in life and working hard has sweet FA to do with it

Originally Posted by JackTheLad (Post 8059826)

I'll tell you the two most important variables. Work hard and work smart.

But to get back to the point of the thread, there are some people who can't be arsed to do either.

JTL

Originally Posted by framac67 (Post 8059801)

So the old boys network doesnt exist and the conservative party is full of geniuses.:blink: The royal family bred super intelligent offspring as they rise to the top of their professions in whatever field they chose.

Originally Posted by Swerv-o (Post 8059813)

I think it's pish as it's just totally unrealistic in today's society. I accept that the opportunities are there for people to take hold of, but having worked in secondary teaching, many of these are just squandered by kids who want everything now - instant gratification but without having to do anything to earn it in any way.

I would like to think that it's just the challenging, low achieving kids that are like this, but sadly I have worked in both state and grammer schools, and have seen the same thing in both 'classes' if you accept the double meaning.

There are an awful lot of commited teachers out there trying to make a difference, but until the kids make the connection between a rudimentary education, effort and success, then I think most will be destined for failure.

Sadly this whole touchy feely guardian reading everyone-is-a-winner BS had seeped through, and so many kids genuinely believe that they will all become footballers, or F1 drivers, and, more worryingly, that they all deserve it as if it's something that the rest of society owes them.

I seriously worry about what happens when they get into the adult world, as they will all be in for a very nasty shock when they discover the vast gulf between how much they earn/receive in benefits and how much the sports cars they spent all their IT lessons looking at on the internet and planning to buy!

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Originally Posted by Swerv-o (Post 8059835)

Yes, though I still think it's a symptom of the modern 'instant gratification' society we live in. nobody seems to want to do the 'hard yards' any more - everybody wants to start at the top of the pay scale, or have an Alfa Romeo as their first car, or the 4 bed house in 1/2 an acre of land overlooking the northern beaches as their first house.

What happened to working up from the bottom? I bet if you talk to Alan Sugar he would tell you some stories about what he had to do to make himself a success.


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Originally Posted by paulry (Post 8059848)

And it's not just the school's responsibility. Often, the parents need to be educated into how to achieve before their children can be.

Originally Posted by Thydney (Post 8059769)

Absolute pish yeah because only a few people ever try hard enough

Originally Posted by scottishcelts (Post 8059862)

That's not true - some people are not in the position to start with to take themselves off to uni.

Originally Posted by JackTheLad (Post 8059867)

In what way? There are student loans that will pay for everything.

And if they are really gifted, scholarships.

How can anyone say they can't to go to Uni?

JTL

Originally Posted by JackTheLad (Post 8059867)

In what way? There are student loans that will pay for everything.

And if they are really gifted, scholarships.

How can anyone say they can't to go to Uni?

JTL

Originally Posted by Swerv-o (Post 8059835)

Yes, though I still think it's a symptom of the modern 'instant gratification' society we live in. nobody seems to want to do the 'hard yards' any more - everybody wants to start at the top of the pay scale, or have an Alfa Romeo as their first car, or the 4 bed house in 1/2 an acre of land overlooking the northern beaches as their first house.

What happened to working up from the bottom? I bet if you talk to Alan Sugar he would tell you some stories about what he had to do to make himself a success.


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Originally Posted by scottishcelts (Post 8059875)

It's not that simple, when my hubby went to uni, he done 2 years at college, then 3 years at uni and we really struggled, we had a toddler and a baby during the time and we struggled.

It's a lot easier to do it when you are younger and have parents that can support you financially.

My hubby's student loan debt was at £15,000 the last time I checked :(

Originally Posted by Swerv-o (Post 8059857)

Yes, definitely. I noticed a definite 'ant-establishment' attitude in parents, again across all classes of folk, where school was either considered a mechanism of social authority to be automatically reviled, a cheap all day creche service, or a bunch of busybody teachers moaning because my spoilt brat hasn't done his homework again.

Breeding licences. It's the only way.

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