Should the victims of the Victoria Fires have their homes rebuilt gratis ...
#106
Lost in BE Cyberspace
Joined: Oct 2005
Location: Hill overlooking the SE Melbourne suburbs
Posts: 16,622
Re: Should the victims of the Victoria Fires have their homes rebuilt gratis ...
I made a big song and dance about being in a big fireprone area - and my premium was not added to. I don't think it is necessarily even more expensive.
#107
Lost in BE Cyberspace
Joined: Oct 2005
Location: Hill overlooking the SE Melbourne suburbs
Posts: 16,622
Re: Should the victims of the Victoria Fires have their homes rebuilt gratis ...
I was speaking to someone who lived in a town affected by the Ash Wednesday fires. A lot of people had no insurance and their houses were rebuilt for them for free, to a much higher standard than those that the Insurance paid for.
He reckons that 25 years on there is still huge bitterness about this in the town.
He reckons that 25 years on there is still huge bitterness about this in the town.
There are stories of people in our village who after initially being elated over their houses surviving at the expense of others that didn't, moving because the houses re-built around them were 'bigger' and better. It got to them eventually.
#108
Account Closed
Joined: Jun 2005
Posts: 9,316
Re: Should the victims of the Victoria Fires have their homes rebuilt gratis ...
A friend's uncle defended his home in the Canberra fires. It was the only one in his street to survive. He now has the crappiest house in the street.
#109
Re: Should the victims of the Victoria Fires have their homes rebuilt gratis ...
We live in a bushfire risk area and all this 'stay or go' crap annoys me. Just go, it's only a house. If we ever get it here in Kalamunda, we're going - no questions. We are also very over-insured.
#110
Lost in BE Cyberspace
Joined: Apr 2004
Posts: 10,375
Re: Should the victims of the Victoria Fires have their homes rebuilt gratis ...
Weve had a couple of houses in dense bushland, areas well known for that feature and as you say no added premium.
I cant personally understand how someone who can buy a house, cant afford house insurance? Never paid more than $400 ish a year for any house. Its actually one of the things that is not expensive in OZ, its often cheaper than our car insurances.
I think many people who dont carry insurance probably expect community will pay up. Its whats happened in the past, in floods and bushfires, no insurance, charity will cough up, maybe people just rely on that.
#111
Account Closed
Joined: Jun 2005
Posts: 9,316
Re: Should the victims of the Victoria Fires have their homes rebuilt gratis ...
Do you think the fund/insurance will cover the special weeds one bloke was growing at a house we were defending the other night?
#112
Re: Should the victims of the Victoria Fires have their homes rebuilt gratis ...
Weve had a couple of houses in dense bushland, areas well known for that feature and as you say no added premium.
I cant personally understand how someone who can buy a house, cant afford house insurance? Never paid more than $400 ish a year for any house. Its actually one of the things that is not expensive in OZ, its often cheaper than our car insurances.
I think many people who dont carry insurance probably expect community will pay up. Its whats happened in the past, in floods and bushfires, no insurance, charity will cough up, maybe people just rely on that.
I cant personally understand how someone who can buy a house, cant afford house insurance? Never paid more than $400 ish a year for any house. Its actually one of the things that is not expensive in OZ, its often cheaper than our car insurances.
I think many people who dont carry insurance probably expect community will pay up. Its whats happened in the past, in floods and bushfires, no insurance, charity will cough up, maybe people just rely on that.
#113
BE Forum Addict
Joined: Jul 2007
Location: Brisbane
Posts: 2,949
Re: Should the victims of the Victoria Fires have their homes rebuilt gratis ...
I think the homes should be rebuilt for free but the contents of peoples home shouldn't be replaced. IMO if you can't afford at the very least contents insurance then surely you should have nothing of value inside your home.
We had major floods in gloucestershire 2 years ago and some people lost everything but a lot weren't insured.
They were moaning about how on earth would they replace their plasma TV's, DFS sofa's, Expensive Kids Toys but yet couldn't afford £5 a month contents insurance...
We had major floods in gloucestershire 2 years ago and some people lost everything but a lot weren't insured.
They were moaning about how on earth would they replace their plasma TV's, DFS sofa's, Expensive Kids Toys but yet couldn't afford £5 a month contents insurance...
#115
Account Closed
Joined: Jun 2007
Posts: 3,821
Re: Should the victims of the Victoria Fires have their homes rebuilt gratis ...
re OP question... then the offical answer is no, the unoffical help, ie, people helping you out regardless, should be yes all the way
Em x
#116
Account Open
Joined: Jan 2005
Location: Brisbane
Posts: 4,298
Re: Should the victims of the Victoria Fires have their homes rebuilt gratis ...
If the insurance does not cover (ie they were uninsured) my feeling is yes.
It may be alright to have the argument that its their fault for not insuring, but:
That is my feeling and I respect others will differ just the way of the world.
It may be alright to have the argument that its their fault for not insuring, but:
- It would still be in my nature to go and help them build with no thought of reimbursement
- Where else would they go?
- What about innocent children - do they pay for parents folly?
- Costs for burn victims and counselling trauma victims needs also to be accounted for.
- New builds would need stringent building codes and compulsory insurance as conditions.
That is my feeling and I respect others will differ just the way of the world.
#117
Re: Should the victims of the Victoria Fires have their homes rebuilt gratis ...
Apologies for the multiple posts...
There are stories of people in our village who after initially being elated over their houses surviving at the expense of others that didn't, moving because the houses re-built around them were 'bigger' and better. It got to them eventually.
There are stories of people in our village who after initially being elated over their houses surviving at the expense of others that didn't, moving because the houses re-built around them were 'bigger' and better. It got to them eventually.
#118
Re: Should the victims of the Victoria Fires have their homes rebuilt gratis ...
http://www.theage.com.au/national/fo...0213-872c.html
Perhaps a big chunk of money should go to paying back these guys (CFA members having to take annual leave?)
Perhaps a big chunk of money should go to paying back these guys (CFA members having to take annual leave?)
#119
Re: Should the victims of the Victoria Fires have their homes rebuilt gratis ...
Is it not the case in the UK for example that if you have a mortgage that you have to have buildings insurance as a minimum? I may be wrong but I thought that this was the case.
There is a clear sentiment on this thread from some people that if you lose your house that it should be rebuilt for free, even if you don't have insurance. Is this because of the sheer number of houses that were lost in these fires and the emotions that are clearly very strong on this subject because we feel such sympathy for the victims?
What about the individual house that burns down on your street next week? This person has no insurance either for their building or contents and has lost everything, should their house be rebuilt as well for free?
This argument raged in the UK in 2007 after the July floods and my opinion was the same then as it is now. You buy insurance for a reason, it is "just in case" you need it.
There is a clear sentiment on this thread from some people that if you lose your house that it should be rebuilt for free, even if you don't have insurance. Is this because of the sheer number of houses that were lost in these fires and the emotions that are clearly very strong on this subject because we feel such sympathy for the victims?
What about the individual house that burns down on your street next week? This person has no insurance either for their building or contents and has lost everything, should their house be rebuilt as well for free?
This argument raged in the UK in 2007 after the July floods and my opinion was the same then as it is now. You buy insurance for a reason, it is "just in case" you need it.
#120
BE Forum Addict
Joined: Oct 2005
Location: Perth
Posts: 3,453
Re: Should the victims of the Victoria Fires have their homes rebuilt gratis ...
I don't think anyone couldn't feel for the victims - especially the children.
I'm happy for the money I donated to be used for clothes, for temporary shelter, - pretty much anything but not for rebuilding houses of those who were not insured (and The Australian reported the other day that up to fifth may not be insured)
To me, house insurance is one of the basics in life. If you can afford more than a battered up old car and a decent tv, you can afford the $30 a month buildings insurance.