iamthecreaturefromuranus

Asylum process is a bit of a joke though. If you actually make it to your target country, be that Australia or the UK, your chances of ever being removed are almost nil. 90% of failed asylum seekers in the UK still get to stay.

Amazulu

You would be pretty stuffed anyway as you would be dead but I get your point.

paulry

Your arguments contain so many naive holes and errors of judgement that it would take a series of essays to put you right - ones which I don't have the time to write and I really don't expect you to "get" anyway.

So you prefer a borderless state of affairs? If that wish came true I wonder what and how long it would to take you to wish otherwise? The compulsory wearing of the burka perhaps? Or being afraid to go out in case of car hi-jackings/bombings? Does that sound idyllic to you? And remember that once such things come to pass it'll be too late to go into reverse gear and restore things back to the way they are today. The hard-earned legacy will have been squandered forever. If you feel so guilty about our first world lifestyle then why don't you move to the third world (if they'll let you). Maybe you'll be happier there?

paulry

Sorry, wrongly put. What I meant was most of them are not genuine asylum seekers. They are economic migrants forcing themselves on the country in an uncontrolled manner..

BTW, following on from my previous post I have no problem with a managed system of allowing disadvantaged people from third world countries the opportunity of a western life. But as with the skilled migration route the emphasis has to be on managing the numbers coming here. A free-for-all system is both reckless and dangerous. The state should be the ones to decide who is the most deserving/needy and not those who by hook or by crook manage to wash themselves up on it's shores.

ponyrama

I think you underestimate my level of intelligence. I would be happy to receive your essays and comment as appropriate. I am fully trained in the assessment of academic and vocational learning. however you will not be receiving a certificate.

my reference to borders was a lateral one, but of course you realise that, you being so clever and all. so I'm an idealist. and what? someone has to be! you're not allowed to shoot me for it. and if it were not for idealists we would all find ourselves in exactly the place you just described.

in answer to arses question....... no.....I am in favour of all human beings having the same rights and liberties as the next man, the development of the third world to create sustainable economy and the introduction of equality worldwide.

I hope that helps.

iamthecreaturefromuranus

Great ideals they are to... but in the current absence of equality throughout the globe, you seem to be suggesting that anybody who didn't have the same fortunate background as yourself, should not be excluded from migrating to Australia simply because they have no useful skills or education.... or have I misunderstood what you are saying?

ponyrama

I dont recall mentioning migration at all. So yes you have misundertsood me. My original post was made in digust at the comments made about non-citizens rights in comparison with citizens who died fighting for their country. (In fact the only right a dead person has is that of being buried or whatever in their chosen manner and for their last will and testament to be honoured but even that is open to debate), and then at the "entitlement" comment in relation to having done years of hard work etc blah blah blah. My intention was to point out that just because someone has skills, an education, etc does not afford them a higher level of basic human right than someone who was born in a stable, caught a few fish and happened to live in Israel. (sorry).

I havent mentioned that anyone should be let in, let off, locked out of anywhere. It just frustrates me that people make judgments about others based on where they are from, their financial wealth, their culture, religion, education etc. Yet they are happy to exploit them for their own gain.

The tragedy at Christmas Island was horrific - ask those that had to stand by and watch whilst being unable to help. Good on the government for doing something bloody nice for a change. Who cares if some of those poor people end up staying here as a result. Its a big country, theres plenty of room and they might just get the opportunity to better themselves, their education and their childrens futures as a result.

iamthecreaturefromuranus

OK.

bcworld

...and there's 100,000s of people in Australia who did exactly that and now make a good contribution to our society. They may not have entered Australia illegally, but they entered some other country illegally and ended up being resettled in Australia. To bring burkas, car jackings and bombings into this is quite ridiculous!

paulry

You are an academc?

ponyrama

Is that what I said? I will refrain from joining the spelling police.

bcworld

I think you just did occifer!

paulry

So are you?

ponyrama

No.

ponyrama

wasn't me. never said nowt. I'll deny it all.