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Old Oct 8th 2021 | 12:37 pm
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Originally Posted by Brisbannite
You lost any credibility you had left as soon as you called it Kung Flu
Your opinion of whether I have any credibility is totally and utterly meaningless

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Old Oct 8th 2021 | 12:45 pm
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Originally Posted by Brisbannite
History has demonstrated that right wing extremism in all its forms is something to be wary of. Good luck living under a man who regards Donald Trump as a role model. I wonder if he calls it "Kung Flu" too?

What next, abortion bans, concentration camps for refugees, stormings of parliament....?
Indeed RW extremism - although not as bad as its LW counterpart - is indeed something to be wary of. Both are best avoided

Although he is indeed RW and conservative, the new NSW premier is hardly an extremist - and to suggest otherwise is nonsense

Australia doesn't do extremism - from either end of the spectrum. But you know that really
 
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Originally Posted by Beoz
The UK are out of the pandemic for now. There are no restrictions and the death rate has been steady for a while now. Covid rarely makes the news now. It's done for now.

What winter brings remains to be seen.

Australia rolled out the vaccines early as they could. They took the vaccine they could make locally and rolled it out. Too bad if there are too many idiots who read somewhere 5 people died from blood clots.

I know a number of people in Brisbane wishing for an outbreak as they see it as the only way out. Hardly poor form. It's called freedom
It may not be being reported, but it's still there - the school where my daughter works has just had half the staff off work as all had covid.

As for AZ - NSW is the worst performing state not QLD. NSW is reaching it's vaccination rates as its been receiving the lions share of Pfizer - twice as much as VIC, and far exceeding other states.

And yes, wishing for Covid outbreaks is pretty low. The other states are getting on with their vaccinations with what they have - all are at or close to 70% first dose, above 50% double dosed - and have freedom already with the exception of international borders.

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Old Oct 8th 2021 | 1:32 pm
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Originally Posted by Amazulu
Nope. Things could have been done better here that's for sure but much of the shit that we've been through/going through has been made up on the fly

Australia has done relatively well and now the vaccination program is on track

I've been the biggest critic of Australia's kung flu overreaction but the data (real data not opinion) shows that we've done far better economically than most of our peers internationally

As usual, conservative/right-wing politicians get it right while their Australia/western hating colleagues constantly get it wrong

The left breaks/destroys/divides while the right builds and prospers - as sure as day follows night. History. Always. Forever
I'll agree that economically, Australia has handled the pandemic well.

Vaccines should have been rolled out sooner - particularly AZ which was available but the government let things get out of hand on that front. But they did do a good job limiting Covid getting in the community.

I, for one, have been very glad to be living here rather than some other countries
 
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It may not be being reported, but it's still there - the school where my daughter works has just had half the staff off work as all had covid.

As for AZ - NSW is the worst performing state not QLD. NSW is reaching it's vaccination rates as its been receiving the lions share of Pfizer - twice as much as VIC, and far exceeding other states.

And yes, wishing for Covid outbreaks is pretty low. The other states are getting on with their vaccinations with what they have - all are at or close to 70% first dose, above 50% double dosed - and have freedom already with the exception of international borders.
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We're getting there

Queensland Health conducted 20,811 vaccinations in hubs yesterday, putting the state at 69.27 per cent first doses and 51.06 per cent second doses.
We've worked really hard to keep this virus out of our state to buy us time to get as many people vaccinated as possible. I think the government is aiming for in excess of 90% (I sincerely hope so anyway) before this thing manages to rip loose and tear through our communities.
 
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It may not be being reported, but it's still there - the school where my daughter works has just had half the staff off work as all had covid.

As for AZ - NSW is the worst performing state not QLD. NSW is reaching it's vaccination rates as its been receiving the lions share of Pfizer - twice as much as VIC, and far exceeding other states.

And yes, wishing for Covid outbreaks is pretty low. The other states are getting on with their vaccinations with what they have - all are at or close to 70% first dose, above 50% double dosed - and have freedom already with the exception of international borders.
NSW has a larger population than Victoria and it would seem a far greater appetite. Note the big influx of vaccine Victoria received in its lockdown 5 or 6 (I can"t keep up).
https://www.theguardian.com/australi...nd-territories

Plus Queensland's vaccine hesitation doesn't really equate when you have places like Tasmania and ACT who are flying and Tasmania doesn't have Covid and ACT only recently.

As for AZ, we had our Premier, Chief Health Officer and Health Minister fronting the media every day, asking the community to go and have AZ. All 3 had AZ themselves.

On the flipside Queensland has the CHO bagging AZ at any opportunity then the Premier dodging AZ all she could until she dreamt up some excuse about needing Pfizer to go to Japan.

I have never wished an outbreak on Queensland, in fact I couldn't give 2 hoots if you open up or not. I have no reason to go to Queensland. It's a terrible holiday and there are no business interests there. However your vaccination rate is so slow and not helped by your government and chief health officer. However if you get an outbreak now, it might encourage people to go and sort their vaccination out. There is plenty of vaccine in Queensland. Supply is not your issue. Your government is.
 
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ACT has hit 97% first dose jab for all +12 year olds.

Amazing achievement.

 
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NSW has a larger population than Victoria and it would seem a far greater appetite. Note the big influx of vaccine Victoria received in its lockdown 5 or 6 (I can"t keep up).
https://www.theguardian.com/australi...nd-territories

Plus Queensland's vaccine hesitation doesn't really equate when you have places like Tasmania and ACT who are flying and Tasmania doesn't have Covid and ACT only recently.

As for AZ, we had our Premier, Chief Health Officer and Health Minister fronting the media every day, asking the community to go and have AZ. All 3 had AZ themselves.

On the flipside Queensland has the CHO bagging AZ at any opportunity then the Premier dodging AZ all she could until she dreamt up some excuse about needing Pfizer to go to Japan.

I have never wished an outbreak on Queensland, in fact I couldn't give 2 hoots if you open up or not. I have no reason to go to Queensland. It's a terrible holiday and there are no business interests there. However your vaccination rate is so slow and not helped by your government and chief health officer. However if you get an outbreak now, it might encourage people to go and sort their vaccination out. There is plenty of vaccine in Queensland. Supply is not your issue. Your government is.
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Originally Posted by Beoz
Queensland needs an outbreak to send the fear of God into them. For your sake, let's hope they don't keep swatting away those one or two cases and the real outbreak happens just before Xmas.
Fear of God huh? That sounds a lot like zealotry to me..... you're not a closet member of Opus Dei are you?

(Thank goodness we have science on our side to guide our decision making rather than fear of the great sky fairy ).
 
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Originally Posted by Beoz
NSW has a larger population than Victoria and it would seem a far greater appetite. Note the big influx of vaccine Victoria received in its lockdown 5 or 6 (I can"t keep up).
https://www.theguardian.com/australi...nd-territories

Plus Queensland's vaccine hesitation doesn't really equate when you have places like Tasmania and ACT who are flying and Tasmania doesn't have Covid and ACT only recently.

As for AZ, we had our Premier, Chief Health Officer and Health Minister fronting the media every day, asking the community to go and have AZ. All 3 had AZ themselves.

On the flipside Queensland has the CHO bagging AZ at any opportunity then the Premier dodging AZ all she could until she dreamt up some excuse about needing Pfizer to go to Japan.

I have never wished an outbreak on Queensland, in fact I couldn't give 2 hoots if you open up or not. I have no reason to go to Queensland. It's a terrible holiday and there are no business interests there. However your vaccination rate is so slow and not helped by your government and chief health officer. However if you get an outbreak now, it might encourage people to go and sort their vaccination out. There is plenty of vaccine in Queensland. Supply is not your issue. Your government is.
If you check the graph in your link, you would see that ACT, TAS and the NT have consistently received an above the line allocation - more than would be expected based on population. On the other hand, QLD is below the line - they are receiving less Pfizer than they should. NSW were also below the line until the outbreak, but the allocation since is clear.

When it comes to AZ - the best performing state is VIC using 45% of the countries delivered doses. NSW is at 17% and QLD is at 14%. This is total doses and not adjusted for population - so VIC has used more than 2 1/2 times more AZ than NSW despite a smaller population, and NSW has used a similar amount of AZ to QLD despite a much larger population.

https://www.theguardian.com/australi...t-data-reveals

I have no real issue with vaccine doses of any variety being directed at the outbreaks - as I'm sure others wouldn't - but that does mean that those states with outbreaks can, and should, vaccinate faster than the rest of the country.

Oh and sorry to bust your bubble - Adelaide is not in QLD

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Fear of God huh? That sounds a lot like zealotry to me..... you're not a closet member of Opus Dei are you?

(Thank goodness we have science on our side to guide our decision making rather than fear of the great sky fairy ).
I wish he was a Muslim, so I could watch you try this shit on a Muslim. Of course you wouldn't typical left winger.
 
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I wish he was a Muslim, so I could watch you try this shit on a Muslim. Of course you wouldn't typical left winger.
Interesting.

How long do you think it will be before Dom Perrottet starts on his program of massive wage and job cuts? I think it will start with freedom day. Of course he'll dress it up but there's ging to be bloodletting on a scale that will make the covid-19 era look like a time of prosperity. Be careful what you wish for Beoz. Gladys' was the voice of reason against the hardliners and extremists. Who is going to hold them in check now?
 
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I have no real issue with vaccine doses of any variety being directed at the outbreaks - as I'm sure others wouldn't - but that does mean that those states with outbreaks can, and should, vaccinate faster than the rest of the country.

Oh and sorry to bust your bubble - Adelaide is not in QLD
Adelaide?

There are some other key stats in that article worth looking at but been out so will point them out tomorrow, but I kind of do have an issue with doses being redirected for an outbreak. Well AZ never needed to be redirected as there was enough supply, but Pfizer should be used for the right people in the right areas.

I was not a fan of Gladys asking the states for vaccine help at the peak of the outbreak in NSW. The other states had their vaccination job to get on with.

However the end result of an outbreak is the vaccination really rate ramps up, hesitation and complacency is there without one. And that's my point to Queensland. Don't be complacent as you are a week or so into an outbreak before you even know.
 
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Interesting.

How long do you think it will be before Dom Perrottet starts on his program of massive wage and job cuts? I think it will start with freedom day. Of course he'll dress it up but there's ging to be bloodletting on a scale that will make the covid-19 era look like a time of prosperity. Be careful what you wish for Beoz. Gladys' was the voice of reason against the hardliners and extremists. Who is going to hold them in check now?
What if Dom P was a Muslim? You would have premier jealousy right?
 
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NSW must do better than Dominic Perrottet as premier 4th October Sydney Morning Herald
Ask anyone if religion and politics are too closely entwined in 21st-century Australia and they may well shake their head.Yet, within a day, it is possible that NSW, self-described as the most progressive state in the federation, may have, in Dominic Perrottet, a premier not only living under a cloud for mismanagement of the state’s workers’ compensation scheme, iCare, but who is also a highly conservative Catholic with views that represent the most extreme end of a rigidly male-dominated institutional church.

At the same time, we have in our federal Parliament a Prime Minister who genuinely believes his own election was a literal miracle.


 

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