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Old Nov 1st 2005 | 11:18 am
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When we eventually get there I am prepared to do whatever it takes to make it work and as long as I know I have put in 110% effort ... if I do end up coming back, then so be it life goes on [/QUOTE]

Oh no...the dreaded 110% has finally reared its ugly head.
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Old Nov 1st 2005 | 12:34 pm
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I live in Port Macquarie. This is a lovely town and we have been here 7 months. Cheap housing (we're just buying a 4 bedroom house with a large yard for $375000), seven clean empty beaches, friendly people, kangaroos on the golf course, koalas sometimes seen in the trees, whales and dolphins from our balcony... we couldn't be happier. I know that some of you will need to move to big cities for jobs and I know that I would not want to live in a big city, but if you are looking for peace, quiet and friendly people, then this is a great place.
 
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Originally Posted by possoms
Fair enough, but then how can the people who had a 'poorer standard of living in the UK' fair better
I think Arkon is referring, partly, to your socio-economic status. If you are 'AB' ie a 'professional', and as such like the trappings of that, as different to a 'CD' - a tradesperson - then you will less likely to find a draw to suburban or outback Australia or anywhere outside the inner cities. The fact that an 'AB' has large financial assets is almost not an issue as many non professionals have accrued as much money.

Rich or poor, if all you want to do is swap your suburban European life for a larger version then this may turn out to be a good move. Australia is King of the Surbanite.

A 'poor' person in the UK can take advantage of lifestyle options to better themselves, or use what money they do have as a multiplier.

A 'rich' professional person in the UK may have already achieved satisfaction outside their financial assets which even more money will not enhance.
 
Old Nov 1st 2005 | 1:18 pm
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Originally Posted by moneypen20
This has been gone over stacks over the past few years. Lots of those who went back after a couple of years, only intended to go for a couple of years to get citizenship - they thought of it as a holiday. There are also those who went out on a temp visa and for whatever reason couldn't convert it to PR so came back. Also in the statistics are those that went out, came back for whatever reason and have then gone back again probably to a different region.

Statistics mean bugger all. Anyone can read anything into them. Arkon is at a place in his life when he can't understand why anyone would stay so he is happy with the 50%. Others who love it there are more likely to read the figures and find that less than 20% come back.

I was going to ignore Arkon's statement about the socio/economic group you are in is relevant to whether you like and stay in Aus. No offence Arkon but that is crap. The richest person might love everything about Aus and be as happy as larry - providing they find the best place to live for them. The poorest person in the world might hate it especially if they end up living in the middle of nowhere eg near Port Macquarie

Knock Aus all you like but don't judge the whole world by the way you feel and live. You are unique as is everyone else and therefore everyone has unique feelings and beliefs.
Hold your horses, I wasn't saying it was definately a socio economic thing, just that that might help explain why some might have a harder time than others. It made some sense to me and would also explain why years ago you were more likely to like it here because the differences to the UK were smaller.
 
Old Nov 1st 2005 | 1:22 pm
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Originally Posted by Wal10
We are far from wealthy, but I think you may be partly right on that score. The poorer the standard of living you leave behind the more readily you'll accept what Aus has to offer. Speak to migrants from many years ago, and most will tell you that they settled easily because Aus gave them a far better standard of living than where they had come from.

We were quoted 50% of new migrants returning over the past 2 years by the removal firms. It was closer to 25% in the few years before that apparently, and getting lower the further back in time you go. Perhaps the rush of migrants due to rose tinted TV programmes has added to the disillusionment.


On the subject of tradesmen and easy migration: beware, the Aussie tradesmen get the most comfortable jobs and leave the ones in the baking sun for the new migrants. Not all tradesmen are going out on the quick fix visas. My husband is a carpenter by trade and we had to wait for 18 long months to get our visas (before Aus realised it had a construction skills shortage). After 10 months in Aus we've had to admit it's not going to work out for our family and have just returned to the UK. Aus could not match the lifestyle and standard of living we enjoyed before we left the UK, and we found there were just weren't enough positives to outweigh the negatives.

But we're glad we went, it's better to have tried it than to always regret not having tried it. We've had a great time in Aus, and met some lovely people and experienced lots of things that we wouldn't have done in the UK.

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Before I joined this forum, last January, I would have had the preconceived and uneducated mindset, that the thoughts contained in the above post were totally wrong and could only be relevant to the above posters unique experience.

Since then I've read lots of different views from posters, and most importantly visited the UK, for the first time in 16 years.

What almost certainly would have been true re Aussie have a much better standard of living 20 years ago, materialistically wise, is certainly not the case now.


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Old Nov 1st 2005 | 1:23 pm
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Originally Posted by aussiesoon
I live in Port Macquarie. This is a lovely town and we have been here 7 months. Cheap housing (we're just buying a 4 bedroom house with a large yard for $375000), seven clean empty beaches, friendly people, kangaroos on the golf course, koalas sometimes seen in the trees, whales and dolphins from our balcony... we couldn't be happier. I know that some of you will need to move to big cities for jobs and I know that I would not want to live in a big city, but if you are looking for peace, quiet and friendly people, then this is a great place.
We was going to Perth, beautiful city and we had friends there, BUT my hubby got a job here in Bunbury , and i am so pleased, because we was meant to be here, it is a city , but not big, we love it here south west and we will stay. The beautiful ocean and countryside ,yes we have green countryside also, Denise
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Old Nov 1st 2005 | 4:32 pm
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Originally Posted by jayjd12
Hi all, My first posting!

I was wondering if anyone had ever come across any research done on British Expats returning to the UK from Australia?

I would be particularly interested in the occupational statistics, age and length of time spent in Australia, before returning.

I have read various Forums and have found them very informative and entertaining,
however I seem to be stumbling over more and more disillusioned people in regards to their new lifes down under, (it could be some of the sites I am entertaining!).

With Australia's current immigration policy crying out for skilled Labour IE, Plumbers, Bricklayers etc: could it be possible that the process of immigration and acceptance for these trades are quite easy IE, they more or less know they are going to get in.
If this is so, and they haven't had to fight for a visa then perhaps not settling and returning to the UK is an easier option?

I really do not know the answer to the above and certainly do not mean any offence, if any offence is caused, I am just interested as to whether there is a certain work related or age related statistic that shows or (maybe doesn't show) what sort of persons returns to the UK.
Certainly agree with some sound opinions here, though the thread seems to have deviated somewhat from my original posting!
As a further question to the original question posted, may I put forward the following.

If you have undertaken the hard and laborious process, which is a given to many of us applying, why only stay a couple of months?

Obviously, as many have pointed out, Australia, Perth, isn’t utopia, I doubt any place is, it’s what you make it. However my feeling is and (it’s only a feeling, not proven) is that if you achieve something easily, i.e. DIMIA acceptance, it is easier to let go of the fact that you made it and return to the UK.

I think what I should also state at this point, just so that readers don’t think I am being too black and white, is that the above is not taking into account family ties and friends back home, I would imagine this accounts for quite a few (homesickness returnees) and is across the board i.e. doesn’t matter what profession your in etc, etc. however, saying this, perhaps there is a statistical trend that points to a particular section of people returning.

If possible, people reading this, if you know of people who have returned to the UK, could you post their details?

1. Occupation i.e. Solicitor, Builder, Engineer,
2. Length of time there and
3. Possibly age
 
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Originally Posted by arkon
Also I've found a major difference here regarding wages in different fields, if you have a tradesman type job in the UK then the wages are not a million miles away from each other in the two countries, if on the other hand you have a specialist skill that used to pay mega bucks in the uk, then here not only will the money be far less but you might not even find a comparable type job so will have to settle for something less than what you were used to.
This is SPOT on.

And this is where the problem lies with migrants returning I reckon.

Australia cries out for skilled migrants so people jump through hoops and run through fire to demonstrate the right skills to gain the visa....only to find those same skills aren't recognised or required when they get here

There are plenty of skilled jobs advertised, so who gets them? Where are they?

These same migrants then end up with the shitty jobs feeling resentful that their skills aren't utilised and so return to where they feel these skills are more appareciated and utilised.

Finding somewhere to live and a decent job to maintain a decent lifestyle is uppermost in terms of importance for most folk. If these jobs or skills aren't needed, then the sun isn't always enough to maintain some people in their new life..............so they go"home".

Low unemployment levels are bandied around yet nearly everyone we know works on a temporary contract, with no holiday pay,no sick pay and crap working conditions. Work culture is very backward in a lot of places.

I know of a female barrister that stuck it out for 6 months. She said the cronyism and sexism was enough to tell her she would never get past the glass ceiling and as she was young and wanted a career, she had to go back.

My next door neighbour, a lovely Aussie bloke [a police sergent] also informed me that ageism exsists here. I didn't believe him until I heard a fellow senior within the organisation tell someone not to offer a lady a job as a CLERK....cos she was too old [she was 36!].

Australia is a FANTATIC place to live....no doubt about it. But in my view the job situation stinks and until the country changes its work ethics.....some people aint gonna stick it out. They'll go back "home" to be appreciated.......
 
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Originally Posted by desperate2go
When we eventually get there I am prepared to do whatever it takes to make it work and as long as I know I have put in 110% effort ... if I do end up coming back, then so be it life goes on
Oh no...the dreaded 110% has finally reared its ugly head.
I thought that was kept exclusively for X factor contestants [/QUOTE]

 
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Originally Posted by Angela Marie
I can assure you that our TRA assessment (hubby is a joiner) was not easy!! neither has our DIMIA application, which we are lodging this week.

Its taken months of prep, advice from Agent which was invaluable to get us this far, not too mention the cost.

I am sure a lot of people wherever they go do not settle - but in my opinion it would not be cauz the initial process was a breeeeeeeeeeeeze!
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Hi Angela,

I was looking through my old posts and wandered if you were in OZ yet, I am nearly there myself now.

PS We did Cairns last year, Beautiful Place!

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