refusing a bodyscan at the airport...
Mar 4th 2010 | 8:26 am
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Re: refusing a bodyscan at the airport...
Getting back to the subject, I don't give a damn about being scanned, any more than I do about being frisked or asked whether the "purpose of my visit to the United States is to assassinate the President".
I am all in favour of civil liberties, but the erosion of our rights to move about freely began with Leila Khaled, the PLO and other assorted terrorists, not with elected governments.
Many of the so-called security measures are pretty ineffective and were instigated purely as political face-saving devices (seen-to-be-doing-somethings.) However, full body scanning *does* seem to me to be an order or two more effective than basic metal detectors.
El Al style profiling has to be the way to go while these creeps are around: that, and much more spent (effectively) on intelligence, which is where the real results come from.
I am all in favour of civil liberties, but the erosion of our rights to move about freely began with Leila Khaled, the PLO and other assorted terrorists, not with elected governments.
Many of the so-called security measures are pretty ineffective and were instigated purely as political face-saving devices (seen-to-be-doing-somethings.) However, full body scanning *does* seem to me to be an order or two more effective than basic metal detectors.
El Al style profiling has to be the way to go while these creeps are around: that, and much more spent (effectively) on intelligence, which is where the real results come from.
Examples - Catholic church and no-sex days (roughly half the year all up); Cromwellian clothing laws (Will you wear the black, grey or brown today?); Curfews during war etc etc
Mar 4th 2010 | 8:48 am
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Re: refusing a bodyscan at the airport...
I'd argue it began much earlier then that. There seems to have always been a struggle between those who want to control behaviour (all reasonable at the time) and those who want to be free to do what they want. This is just another bout of restrictions coming in.
Examples - Catholic church and no-sex days (roughly half the year all up); Cromwellian clothing laws (Will you wear the black, grey or brown today?); Curfews during war etc etc
Examples - Catholic church and no-sex days (roughly half the year all up); Cromwellian clothing laws (Will you wear the black, grey or brown today?); Curfews during war etc etc
No-one in a "free" country would want to be subjected to searches of any description but most recognise that circumstances dictate otherwise in some cases. To equate things like security searches with Orwellian intentions is going a bit too far, IMO.
Mar 4th 2010 | 9:03 am
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Re: refusing a bodyscan at the airport...
I think that you are confusing "want to' with "necessary".
No-one in a "free" country would want to be subjected to searches of any description but most recognise that circumstances dictate otherwise in some cases. To equate things like security searches with Orwellian intentions is going a bit too far, IMO.
No-one in a "free" country would want to be subjected to searches of any description but most recognise that circumstances dictate otherwise in some cases. To equate things like security searches with Orwellian intentions is going a bit too far, IMO.
Mar 4th 2010 | 9:06 am
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Re: refusing a bodyscan at the airport...
Mar 4th 2010 | 9:08 am
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Mar 4th 2010 | 9:22 am
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Mar 4th 2010 | 9:22 am
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Mar 4th 2010 | 9:26 am
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Re: refusing a bodyscan at the airport...
What I do - change (offset) just enough/all/some of the detail....from time to time. You certainly never post a number, road, suburb, email. It's not so much people eventually finding you - it's having no direct reference.
Ie. Say you lived in Hampshire when you lived in Sussex. Say you migrated when you were 33 when in fact it was 37. Talk about France when you lived in Belgium. Neither of those are true about me lol.
No lies - just offset stuff. That's what I do.
Ie. Say you lived in Hampshire when you lived in Sussex. Say you migrated when you were 33 when in fact it was 37. Talk about France when you lived in Belgium. Neither of those are true about me lol.
No lies - just offset stuff. That's what I do.
Mar 4th 2010 | 9:26 am
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Re: refusing a bodyscan at the airport...
I feel safer already.
Mar 4th 2010 | 9:29 am
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Re: refusing a bodyscan at the airport...
I'd argue it began much earlier then that. There seems to have always been a struggle between those who want to control behaviour (all reasonable at the time) and those who want to be free to do what they want. This is just another bout of restrictions coming in.
Examples - Catholic church and no-sex days (roughly half the year all up); Cromwellian clothing laws (Will you wear the black, grey or brown today?); Curfews during war etc etc
Examples - Catholic church and no-sex days (roughly half the year all up); Cromwellian clothing laws (Will you wear the black, grey or brown today?); Curfews during war etc etc
Mar 4th 2010 | 9:36 am
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Re: refusing a bodyscan at the airport...
I think that you are confusing "want to' with "necessary".
No-one in a "free" country would want to be subjected to searches of any description but most recognise that circumstances dictate otherwise in some cases. To equate things like security searches with Orwellian intentions is going a bit too far, IMO.
No-one in a "free" country would want to be subjected to searches of any description but most recognise that circumstances dictate otherwise in some cases. To equate things like security searches with Orwellian intentions is going a bit too far, IMO.
First create a good reason why the public needs it i.e. instill fear; it's for everyone's safety. Then bring in a technology that is not so bad that people will immediately object to it. Then once people are used to it create another reason to bring in a more invasive technology and repeat.
This is how the UK has the most CCTV cameras in the world. It is how they are bringing in the National ID database and ID cards. Those ID cards will eventually become RFID chip implants. It's also exactly how they are getting these security scanners installed at the airports.
Look what happened in Nazi Germany. The National Socialists introduced ID cards under the premise of "it's for your own good" and then they started rounding up Jews and putting them in concentration camps.
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Mar 4th 2010 | 9:41 am
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Re: refusing a bodyscan at the airport...
The sheer fact that we post on this site, for all the world to see, rather negates some of the argument.
I once chastised a girl for making a stupid sex related post on a chat site. She had boasted of paying a Jimboran cowboy for sex in Bali. She said: “no one will ever know who I amâ€.
I clipped her IP address. That led me to other sites, and her real email address.
By that afternoon I had her work address, mobile, CV, college records from the USA and some of her friends contact details. I had the name of her boyfriend, and I her photos off flicker, Facebook and Friendster. I even had her wedding photos from 2000.
We place our lives on the internet.
I once chastised a girl for making a stupid sex related post on a chat site. She had boasted of paying a Jimboran cowboy for sex in Bali. She said: “no one will ever know who I amâ€.
I clipped her IP address. That led me to other sites, and her real email address.
By that afternoon I had her work address, mobile, CV, college records from the USA and some of her friends contact details. I had the name of her boyfriend, and I her photos off flicker, Facebook and Friendster. I even had her wedding photos from 2000.
We place our lives on the internet.
Mar 4th 2010 | 10:35 am
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Re: refusing a bodyscan at the airport...
>>To equate things like security searches with Orwellian intentions is going a bit too far, IMO.<<
I would equate Cromwell et al more with Al Queda than those who seek to protect the travelling public with searches: *they* are the ones attempting to impose their wills on the rest of us.
