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Maybe this is why i can't seem to get a job?

Nepotism is favoritism granted to relatives or friends regardless of merit:)

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Not always, what do you do?

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It is unfortunately a huge problem in the workforce.

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Yehp it's a big part of the system in Aus... . even somewhere like Aus Post.... although thats once your in.

It can work in your favour though... I'm not overly worried about losing my job now... tis a concern but not a massive one... As friends in the building game have told me how to go about securing a job..... even at 56 with no experience. .

I often wonder how big a part Nepotism plays in the UK workforce now ?

Re post, They are getting rid of Night Shift across the country for mail handling and sorting.... I've been told I can stay 'wink wink' if I transfer to Parcel handling by my boss... There is supposed to be a selection process. I'm tempted but I dont want to continue with Night Shift which is where that job lays. So I'm waiting to see what comes up on day shift..... trouble is that Parcel job will be gone by then. Although Post has ever forced retrenchment on anyone yet. Always transfer to another area.... So I'm waiting, It's bit hard on the nerves with the major reno that I'm doing. Still tons of backup... so let see what eventuates.



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According to all the haters on BE, it only happens in Australia.

I see some merit to it. I'll give hiring preference to guys who I know, over guys that I don't. This is due to there being so many muppets out there that say they know what they are doing, but in reality don't know shit.

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Do you not have any relatives or friends? :(

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In the Middle East you have to provide your photo on your CV - if you're ugly you don't get hired. At least Aussies hire their relies and mates even if they've been beaten with the ugly stick.

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Fortunately it doesnt happen in the UK, ever.

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conversely, I would never give a job to some guys I know, because I'd be in a very delicate position if they F-ed it up royally, I'd rather stay friends than make that particular dollar if you know what i mean. But yeah, business is personal, most of it anyway.

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Right. IMO, UK has only Switzerland to look up to in this department. Not that it is a bad thing, but really. ;)

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No, course not :rolleyes:

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OMG, I was joking FFS. :rofl:

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so was I :lol:

Just wondered how long it'd take you to reply :p

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None here to speak of, Debs set up nicely now at her place of work, and most of her friends shes made are either single or there other half's into computers and office based work, not really my game.

I know for a fact that the last job i applied for went to a Aussie guy, he sat next to me in the waiting area, and we talked about where i came from and that he knew some english guys, very pleasant really - then some bloke walked past smiled at him and said 'g'day Karl', 'karl' looked at me and said, 'he used to work with me at the last place', he was driving a blue knackered up commodore (he had parked next to mine outside), i went passed there Friday that same car was there only in a different space, the one for workforce:frown:

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No luck with short-term contracts? I found I had to take a 3 month contract to get my name known around the place before I had a chance of anything else.

I don't know what your job is but it might be worth putting an ad on Gumtree to offer your services just to get some word of mouth going.

Getting involved with a sporting team might increase your social circle and contacts, worked for me anyway.

Volunteering is also an option, I've been doing some work locally and it's amazing the people you meet that know someone that knows someone that might help with job.

There is a lot of 'it's who you know' around here, inevitable given the size of the market, in the IT game anyway.

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Could he have been better qualified than you, you dont know for sure if thats how he got on.

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It probably happened in the UK about thirty years ago but things in the UK are now far more professional/regulated. Even in work there seems to be so many examples of bullying, cutting hours and general abuse of employees rights. It's bullshit and very frustrating that half the jobs advertised don't exist as they're lined up for a relative. Nepotism and the over-licensing of everything prevents career progression/scope widening and means useless companies and trades people stay in business. In my humble opinion of course..

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I am beginning to realise that much now. I work in the industrial sector as a tool setter from England.
But has i have found out since landing here, it ain't what you know it's who you know, never a true word phrased.

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While we chatted and waited to have our interviews he was going on about how he had not worked indoors before, his last job was on the roads?

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On the upside it means that once you meet someone who lines you up with a job you can let your standards slip to utter shoddiness, become a 'jobs worth' and not have to worry you might get replaced.

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Totally agree.... Number of posts that people walk into because they know the boss are CRZY... Wouldnt mind if they were any good... But they arent always...

makes me bloody furious...

Also seen outright racism...

And some one highly qualified who wasnt offered a post because they didnt like where she lived....


But the WORST is where they dont recognise overseas qualifications and experience... Seeing some one passed over for a simple CN post because their EXTENSIVE nursing experience has been in South Africa and the Masters in Advanced nursing practice she holds is from a S.A. university....

takes the bloody biscuit.

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It used to when I worked there .... It's why Gough Whitlams son Nick ended up working on "The Platform" at Morgan Guaranty..... It's why heaps of other lesser known but well connected people where able to get their kids jobs at financial institutions around the City of London.

When I worked at the Shipbrokers... we had all sorts of Sons and in one case a Daughter of Ship owners come and work for us... even if they weren't capable of doing the job. "Arvid" 'SCIndia" ... one from Malaysia... plenty of Greeks. It happened all the time. I will admit it was probably mutually beneficial for both sides... Twas indeed very nepotistic. They were definitely on the Payroll and it kept out locals that were more than capable of doing a better job. Tokens really. I think Cyril Lords daughter was an employee when I was there...She did it on merit as far as I know. Just remembered another one... Malaysian Rubber Plantations owners son... now he was useless... but got the job none the less.








Has everything changed since 1980.... or was your comment tounge in cheek ?

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This is another issue i have also, i raised this in another thread earlier. There is racism here and not your standard black and white racism it's across the board full on out and out hatred (fear) of anyone not born here (unless you know them)...

England had the same thin before we came over, but it was more so the black/white divide still - sadly.

I remember reading somewhere that when Samuel L. Jackson came here doing some film or something, never felt as uneasy here than anywhere else he as ever visited?

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A good Saffa mate of mine worked as an accountant for BP in London. He's an ambitious lad and was all ready to tear up the corporate ladder. It was made plain to him (but not in so many words), that because he didn't go to the 'right' school and Oxbridge, then there was only so far that he was going to be allowed to climb.

I've always wondered why most of the captains of the British corporate world are knighted.

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I won't argue that there isn't a bit of an old boys network in the City - obviously hiring a Lykiardopoulos son stands you in good stead with the father when it comes to a sale and purchase deal. In Oz though it's every strata of work - office admin, sales, trades, even teaching suffers from it. Don't expect a meritocracy and rewards based on skill and application.

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Wasn't there much call for 'accounts'?

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That's the reason then.

You're a lying f**k Sani!

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Wow! End of an era. That's going to shake things up. How do they intend to process the second and third waves without a night shift?

:blink:

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I would assume they would have to do all the sorting during the day which will make deliveries even slower.

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ive had no trouble getting a job as a full time stripper here,iv had two interviews and as soon as i get my tools out,i seem to secure the job pretty quickly....;)

champ dont let the fluckers grind you down,,,

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Thats no more Night Shift at Delivery center level... So Dandenong and Ardeer in Melbourne will be the only places that carries night shift from July 2012.. Oh and Gateway for express mail at the Airport.

Dandenong and similar major mail centers Aus wide will run on minimum staff with as much automation as possible. Post has finally got it's act together with state of the art OCR's that can read many variations of hand written items... Plus collate and send it out round sorted. So the miniscule amount of 'residue'.... it used to be 10/20 pct of mail that required sorting at DCs (delivery centers)..... will/has already been reduced to circa 8pct or less... Will be handled by the Posties, as most of their work is already sequenced and ready for delivery now. Leaving them extra time to take on the sorting role....along with.the remnants of a part time Night shift who will have an early morning start at 4am.

Personally I'm after a 4am part time sorting job combined with a Part Time walking round to give me full time hours. Thats what the Union are expecting. A/Post has always played ball with this kind of technology change for its existing employees, uptil this point. Hopefully the status quo will remain.

What this means, Is any Redundancy package I'm offered can be swapped with a "full time" Postie and I take his job and he/she gets my Package ..Post wins because the round gets split in two and becomes a Part time round from that point on. .

Note most of the Large letters (plastics and small parcels) will still require a total sort and sequence at Delivery center level... Thats a major new role for the Posties... Combined with what is left of the 'Part time' night sorters. We had 29 night staff this time last year at Preston DC which is the 2nd largest in Melbourne.... We are down to around 12 now. People have been leaving or transferred and not replaced, which has been run in with voluntary OT Posties starting at 4am.

Parcel centers will actually get busier and bigger.... Ardeer (Melbournes parcel handling center) is likely to end up bigger than Dandenong.

Cannot believe the "Murphy's law" aspect for me, as this is straight in the middle of 100k's plus of major renovations. We were actually assured 18 months ago that Night Shift jobs were the safest at Post.

The Wife is none to pleased at the possiblity of her having to go back to shift work nursing :unsure:

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Sure is... and it's possibly going to be my salvation if things go tits up for me at Post... so I'm bloody grateful for it ...... Hopefully :fingerscrossed:

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I just applied to Bunnings, not below me at all i need to work for my sanity let alone the cash:blink:
I bet i knocked back for being a balding old English guy who talks like a goofy cow:rofl:

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All over the world. Then again the OP may be crap at interviews or have a rubbish resume.

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Jobs you get because you know someone are not worth it.
Last year I applied for a job. I was shortlisted. The guy took over 8 weeks to tell me that he hadn't picked me. Waiting for him, I turned down another job which would have been great.
Three months after him telling me I hadn't got it, he rang me and asked if I was still interested. It was his fault, he said. He'd hired the wrong person.
I said yes.
Went to another interview, he told me that he'd clicked through to my Linkedin profile on the net and seen that I knew all these people that he knew... and this was his instant decider.
Working for him was nightmarish. The company culture was terrible, chinese whispers, backstabbing. They talked about the boss behind his back, and played nice to his face. He'd change his mind from one minute to the next. Acted on his frustration with customers, firing off random emails or telling me to respond to a complaint a certain way, then later asking me why I'd done it... er, cos you told me to? He'd sacked the last 4 people he'd hired for that job. Couldn't manage his way out of a paper bag.
Ugh! nightmare. I wondered whether he was bipolar... no idea. It was the only thing I came up with.

Being hired because I knew people he did? No thanks.

Now working for a large company who have 'career mapped' me and who got me in for interview after reviewing my cv and liking it.
Recommend you stick to your guns, keep plugging away and keep applying for jobs. Have your resume professionally assessed.
Also how about looking at your personal presentation? Aussies dress very sharply for interviews. Look at what you're doing, handshake, eye contact, your manner.
There may be a very good reason why you're not getting jobs.
Good luck!

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Crikey. Even when I was at Post they were saying parcels were the way of the future and we could expect a major drop in letter processing. I didn't expect it to happen so soon.

This whole "Australian nepotism" thing makes me laugh. Born and raised here, never got a job through nepotism, never known anyone who did.