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Cheetah7 Jan 10th 2006 10:34 pm

Re: Racist muslim rapists
 

Originally Posted by wmoore
Correction: The rapist won't try and hide behind his 'religion'.

It's not the journos in this case who are bringing religion into it, it's the so-called religious leaders. And they should be hung drawn and quartered for spouting such crap in the name of religion. It always amazes me when people emigrate from a country where free speech is outlawed, and spend their days spouting so much racist, sexist, and sometimes downright illegal and immoral crap in their new home.


The fact is they ARE NOT religious leaders. They are extremists.

If you go to any mosque and speak to the Imam of that mosque, they will not condone any of the acts that these so called muslims carry out.

In the british press, they will happily publish pictures of muslim men and women who have nothing to do with the article, it could be a picture the press took years ago and have copyrights to.

They then give the article a headline such as 'Muslims in race hatred' or something like it. They may well print first and face defamation charges later. Hell knows Journo law is comprised of legal defamation cases where they have printed first and paid later.

Im sorry, but ive worked as a journalist and the way in which an article is written can make a person laugh, cry or get damned angry.

These people I repeat, are not muslim leaders, they are leaders of extremists groups I grant you, but they are not true representation of Islam.

Just like your ordinary self respecting English football supporter, is not your typical drunken hooligan in the terraces of a german football match.

I know exactly how some of the journos operate and dramatising a story and generalisation is all part of that valuable slug line to bring in the viewers.

phoenixinoz Jan 10th 2006 10:46 pm

Re: Racist muslim rapists
 

Originally Posted by wmoore
Correction: The rapist won't try and hide behind his 'religion'.

It's not the journos in this case who are bringing religion into it, it's the so-called religious leaders. And they should be hung drawn and quartered for spouting such crap in the name of religion. It always amazes me when people emigrate from a country where free speech is outlawed, and spend their days spouting so much racist, sexist, and sometimes downright illegal and immoral crap in their new home.

Here bloody here. Well said Wayne.

All religious leaders who practice the *true* meaning of the Koran should condone their bigoted and irresponsible Imams for belittling their peaceful faith. And they should do it often. On a worldwide platform. Again and again.

There is good and bad in every race and religion.

We shouldn't tar everyone with the same brush:(

wmoore Jan 10th 2006 10:50 pm

Re: Racist muslim rapists
 

Originally Posted by Professional Princess
The fact is they ARE NOT religious leaders. They are extremists.

That's why I said 'so-called religious leaders'. Anyone with half a brain would realise these people's views are not indicative of muslims as a whole. But of course journos will pick up on this kind of thing because it makes a sensational story and sells papers / TV advert slots.

wmoore Jan 10th 2006 10:51 pm

Re: Racist muslim rapists
 

Originally Posted by phoenixinoz
There is good and bad in every race and religion.

That's true too. I know a Catholic priest who was sent down a couple of months ago for kiddy fiddling but it doesn't mean all Catholics are bad people.

phoenixinoz Jan 10th 2006 10:58 pm

Re: Racist muslim rapists
 

Originally Posted by wmoore
That's true too. I know a Catholic priest who was sent down a couple of months ago for kiddy fiddling but it doesn't mean all Catholics are bad people.

EXACTLY!...that's what PP is saying too....

232Bar Jan 11th 2006 8:49 am

Re: Racist muslim rapists
 

Originally Posted by phoenixinoz
Here bloody here. Well said Wayne.

All religious leaders who practice the *true* meaning of the Koran should condone their bigoted and irresponsible Imams for belittling their peaceful faith. And they should do it often. On a worldwide platform. Again and again.

There is good and bad in every race and religion.

We shouldn't tar everyone with the same brush:(

I'm assuming that here you mean condem, not condone?

JackTheLad Jan 11th 2006 8:55 am

Re: Racist muslim rapists
 

Originally Posted by wmoore
It's not the journos in this case who are bringing religion into it, it's the so-called religious leaders.

As much as I love you Wayne, I don't agree with you on the comment above. Both the journalist (if you want to call her that) and the extremists use religion to manipulate their audience. The journalist in this case knew exactly what sort of response she was going to get. Have a read on the rest of the articles on the same on-line magazine - the tones are all similar. The subjects may be Muslims, black Americans, or immigrants. David Horowitz is well known in the US for his extreme views, and very often his views are considered by many as racist. Do a Google search on his name and you'll see what I mean.

There are people out there who don't have the brain you and some of us on the forum have, and can be easily misled by these unbalanced articles.

Mrs JTL

232Bar Jan 11th 2006 9:05 am

Re: Racist muslim rapists
 

Originally Posted by JackTheLad
As much as I love you Wayne, I don't agree with you on the comment above. Both the journalist (if you want to call her that) and the extremists use religion to manipulate their audience. The journalist in this case knew exactly what sort of response she was going to get. Have a read on the rest of the articles on the same on-line magazine - the tones are all similar. The subjects may be Muslims, black Americans, or immigrants. David Horowitz is well known in the US for his extreme views, and very often his views are considered by many as racist. Do a Google search on his name and you'll see what I mean.

There are people out there who don't have the brain you and some of us on the forum have, and can be easily misled by these unbalanced articles.

Mrs JTL

So if the article was written exactly as it is, but with a well-known, respected journalists name on it, in a well-known and respected newspaper, would that affect the views of people who read it? Not meant to be an 'is it right or wrong' argument, just curious as to how we view the world differently depending on who is telling the tale.

Cheetah7 Jan 11th 2006 9:11 am

Re: Racist muslim rapists
 

Originally Posted by 232Bar
So if the article was written exactly as it is, but with a well-known, respected journalists name on it, in a well-known and respected newspaper, would that affect the views of people who read it? Not meant to be an 'is it right or wrong' argument, just curious as to how we view the world differently depending on who is telling the tale.

All I can say is that a well respected journalist who knows the law of defamation inside out, would not ever use the term 'Racist muslim rapists' because it implies that ALL muslims are not only racist, but rapists.

You can fail your journo exams for that kind of cock up.

One girl failed for writing up a story with the heading 'Man murders woman'.

She failed because it hadnt gone to court, what they call 'The Strict Liability Rule' was in place and as the man hadn't yet been found guilty of murder, it could have been manslaughter.

These are small points that can completely alter a persons view of a story, and the way in which its presented can affect the reader.

Just look at the reaction this thread has caused. The title of it makes our blood boil, in one way or another.

232Bar Jan 11th 2006 9:15 am

Re: Racist muslim rapists
 

Originally Posted by Professional Princess
All I can say is that a well respected journalist who knows the law of defamation inside out, would not ever use the term 'Racist muslim rapists' because it implies that ALL muslims are not only racist, but rapists.

You can fail your journo exams for that kind of cock up.

One girl failed for writing up a story with the heading 'Man murders woman'.

She failed because it hadnt gone to court, what they call 'The Strict Liability Rule' was in place and as the man hadn't yet been found guilty of murder, it could have been manslaughter.

These are small points that can completely alter a persons view of a story, and the way in which its presented can affect the reader.

Just look at the reaction this thread has caused. The title of it makes our blood boil, in one way or another.

If you put the semantics to one side, I still maintain that this article would be viewed a lot more 'favourably' (not the best word but it'll have to do for now) if it was written by the right person, and published in the right paper. The heading could be changed, the content written differently but containing the same message and people would react in a totally different way.

Cheetah7 Jan 11th 2006 9:17 am

Re: Racist muslim rapists
 

Originally Posted by 232Bar
If you put the semantics to one side, I still maintain that this article would be viewed a lot more 'favourably' (not the best word but it'll have to do for now) if it was written by the right person, and published in the right paper. The heading could be changed, the content written differently but containing the same message and people would react in a totally different way.


Change the heading as you say, change some of the content, publish it in the right paper and you have a different article.

I was told 'never to sell an article only once' with careful rewording, you can have it from an entirely different angle but a similar message.

And yes, I reckon it would be viewed differently. But the mere heading of it, sparks racial tension and anger before you even start on the body of the text.

232Bar Jan 11th 2006 9:20 am

Re: Racist muslim rapists
 

Originally Posted by Professional Princess
Change the heading as you say, change some of the content, publish it in the right paper and you have a different article.

I was told 'never to sell an article only once' with careful rewording, you can have it from an entirely different angle but a similar message.

And yes, I reckon it would be viewed differently. But the mere heading of it, sparks racial tension and anger before you even start on the body of the text.

Not like newspapers to provoke a little controversy is it LOL

JackTheLad Jan 11th 2006 9:20 am

Re: Racist muslim rapists
 

Originally Posted by 232Bar
If you put the semantics to one side, I still maintain that this article would be viewed a lot more 'favourably' (not the best word but it'll have to do for now) if it was written by the right person, and published in the right paper. The heading could be changed, the content written differently but containing the same message and people would react in a totally different way.

Yes, if the heading was changed and the content was more factual, people would react in a totally different way. However if you change the heading and the content, "the same message" will not be contained.

Mrs JTL

JackTheLad Jan 11th 2006 9:23 am

Re: Racist muslim rapists
 

Originally Posted by 232Bar
Not like newspapers to provoke a little controversy is it LOL

The newspaper/magazine in question is not set out to provoke a little controversy. It's controversial all the time, and political in many ways too. It's manipulative and that's not what good journalism is about.

Mrs JTL

Cheetah7 Jan 11th 2006 9:25 am

Re: Racist muslim rapists
 

Originally Posted by JackTheLad
The newspaper/magazine in question is not set out to provoke a little controversy. It's controversial all the time, and political in many ways too. It's manipulative and that's not what good journalism is about.

Mrs JTL


Exactly and I reckon it does alot of damage.


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