Political posts from Coronavirus thread.
May 1st 2020, 8:46 am
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Political posts from Coronavirus thread.
Really Iceland has been an outstanding success in testing population and going in hard as has Taiwan. What I take the stick to you for is your constant heckling of Arden who has shown leadership throughout her term to date.
Question. If only observation and follow was required, why didn't the hard core neo liberalist nations like USA and UK and Brazil follow in step, Instead of inflicting huge cost to their respective nations in terms of death and gold.?
May 1st 2020, 9:03 am
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Re: Coronavirus - how's everyone doing?
New Zealand:
Level 4 lockdown - little economic activity meaning economy torched
95 deaths (pro rata given 5x population)
7380 cases
Australia:
Level 2 lockdown - economic activity down but major sectors like mining, agriculture and construction continuing. We'll come out of this pretty strongly - it won't be a v-shaped recovery but it will be u-shaped
91 deaths
6753 cases
Australia crushing it without crushing our economy
New Zealand's over-reliance on tourism is about to come back and bite them in the ass. Countries that rely heavily on tourism tend not to be the most successful - think Spain, Greece, Thailand. There's going to be little tourism for a few years. New Zealand is officially a first-world, western country but only nominally so as they have major structural issues in their economy and society. They are effectively a second-world country with some first-world aspects - there's a reason so many of their people move to Queensland and WA. Our over-reliance on Asian students is about to come back and bite us in the ass - but that's a good thing as what will come out of that will be better in the long run for the university sector and the country. Sure, we have to diversify our supply chains in key areas and increase manufacturing in critical sectors but we can do that with some effort and will. The world is going to be a very different place in 2022
Ardern is a show pony - all hat and no cattle as my mate in Georgia puts it. A good friend of mine in New Plymouth was telling me the other day that she is only really popular with white women - white males and a majority of Maori can't stand her. I guess we'll find out in September what the people there think about her. As a female hard left-wing leader, the MSM loves Ardern, so she gets all the international attention and adoration - Colbert, The View, Time Magazine etc. Scott Morrison on the other hand is a white, middle-aged Christian conservative male - everything the MSM hates - and our international coverage reflects this. It's all so predictable
Level 4 lockdown - little economic activity meaning economy torched
95 deaths (pro rata given 5x population)
7380 cases
Australia:
Level 2 lockdown - economic activity down but major sectors like mining, agriculture and construction continuing. We'll come out of this pretty strongly - it won't be a v-shaped recovery but it will be u-shaped
91 deaths
6753 cases
Australia crushing it without crushing our economy
New Zealand's over-reliance on tourism is about to come back and bite them in the ass. Countries that rely heavily on tourism tend not to be the most successful - think Spain, Greece, Thailand. There's going to be little tourism for a few years. New Zealand is officially a first-world, western country but only nominally so as they have major structural issues in their economy and society. They are effectively a second-world country with some first-world aspects - there's a reason so many of their people move to Queensland and WA. Our over-reliance on Asian students is about to come back and bite us in the ass - but that's a good thing as what will come out of that will be better in the long run for the university sector and the country. Sure, we have to diversify our supply chains in key areas and increase manufacturing in critical sectors but we can do that with some effort and will. The world is going to be a very different place in 2022
Ardern is a show pony - all hat and no cattle as my mate in Georgia puts it. A good friend of mine in New Plymouth was telling me the other day that she is only really popular with white women - white males and a majority of Maori can't stand her. I guess we'll find out in September what the people there think about her. As a female hard left-wing leader, the MSM loves Ardern, so she gets all the international attention and adoration - Colbert, The View, Time Magazine etc. Scott Morrison on the other hand is a white, middle-aged Christian conservative male - everything the MSM hates - and our international coverage reflects this. It's all so predictable
Arden went in hard and fast. She showed initiative and must have been aware of the economic fall out. Hardly alone there though, as all countries will experience repercussions. Australia has probably far more to lose as was hardly in great shape pre corona virus and has been idling for sometime.
No Morrison failed miserably with the recent fires, has attempted with a degree of success to repair a declining support base by acting with apparent decisiveness (although much of the policy was already in other countries) during the Corona Virus crisis. This still has a way to play out so best wait and see if a second round hits and see where the economy is going over the course of time.
May 1st 2020, 10:17 am
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Re: Coronavirus - how's everyone doing?
But that was then and this is now: during the Covid-19 crisis, he's been a new man, saying the right things, and driving the federal-level response in logical directions. And, letting others step up and deliver their appropriate messages, rather than trying to hog the stage, Trump-style. I don't agree with ScoMo's fixation on re-opening the schools so quickly, but at least he's been making his case.
And I agree with your point that ScoMo's more recent good performance has gone comparatively unremarked, in the international press. Probably Rupert does not approve, regardless of what the rest of us think.
May 1st 2020, 10:41 am
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Re: Coronavirus - how's everyone doing?
New Zealand:
Level 4 lockdown - little economic activity meaning economy torched
95 deaths (pro rata given 5x population)
7380 cases
Australia:
Level 2 lockdown - economic activity down but major sectors like mining, agriculture and construction continuing. We'll come out of this pretty strongly - it won't be a v-shaped recovery but it will be u-shaped
91 deaths
6753 cases
Australia crushing it without crushing our economy
New Zealand's over-reliance on tourism is about to come back and bite them in the ass. Countries that rely heavily on tourism tend not to be the most successful - think Spain, Greece, Thailand. There's going to be little tourism for a few years. New Zealand is officially a first-world, western country but only nominally so as they have major structural issues in their economy and society. They are effectively a second-world country with some first-world aspects - there's a reason so many of their people move to Queensland and WA. Our over-reliance on Asian students is about to come back and bite us in the ass - but that's a good thing as what will come out of that will be better in the long run for the university sector and the country. Sure, we have to diversify our supply chains in key areas and increase manufacturing in critical sectors but we can do that with some effort and will. The world is going to be a very different place in 2022
Ardern is a show pony - all hat and no cattle as my mate in Georgia puts it. A good friend of mine in New Plymouth was telling me the other day that she is only really popular with white women - white males and a majority of Maori can't stand her. I guess we'll find out in September what the people there think about her. As a female hard left-wing leader, the MSM loves Ardern, so she gets all the international attention and adoration - Colbert, The View, Time Magazine etc. Scott Morrison on the other hand is a white, middle-aged Christian conservative male - everything the MSM hates - and our international coverage reflects this. It's all so predictable
Level 4 lockdown - little economic activity meaning economy torched
95 deaths (pro rata given 5x population)
7380 cases
Australia:
Level 2 lockdown - economic activity down but major sectors like mining, agriculture and construction continuing. We'll come out of this pretty strongly - it won't be a v-shaped recovery but it will be u-shaped
91 deaths
6753 cases
Australia crushing it without crushing our economy
New Zealand's over-reliance on tourism is about to come back and bite them in the ass. Countries that rely heavily on tourism tend not to be the most successful - think Spain, Greece, Thailand. There's going to be little tourism for a few years. New Zealand is officially a first-world, western country but only nominally so as they have major structural issues in their economy and society. They are effectively a second-world country with some first-world aspects - there's a reason so many of their people move to Queensland and WA. Our over-reliance on Asian students is about to come back and bite us in the ass - but that's a good thing as what will come out of that will be better in the long run for the university sector and the country. Sure, we have to diversify our supply chains in key areas and increase manufacturing in critical sectors but we can do that with some effort and will. The world is going to be a very different place in 2022
Ardern is a show pony - all hat and no cattle as my mate in Georgia puts it. A good friend of mine in New Plymouth was telling me the other day that she is only really popular with white women - white males and a majority of Maori can't stand her. I guess we'll find out in September what the people there think about her. As a female hard left-wing leader, the MSM loves Ardern, so she gets all the international attention and adoration - Colbert, The View, Time Magazine etc. Scott Morrison on the other hand is a white, middle-aged Christian conservative male - everything the MSM hates - and our international coverage reflects this. It's all so predictable
I agree with all of the above.
May 2nd 2020, 3:36 am
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Re: Coronavirus - how's everyone doing?
I suspect we have seen the last of Andrew Forrest's attempts at cowboy foreign affairs for a while, especially after he compounded his error by suggesting the virus could have originated in Australia (?!).
He does deserve credit for repatriating some of the millions of masks that the Chinese bought and shipped out of Australia in January and February. Which in itself raises two points:
1. How short sighted are some of our businesses, in that the Chinese suddenly wanted to buy millions of masks for immediate shipment and delivery, and nobody thought to ask (or to care) why;
2. Part of the (but not the only) reason for Chinese deception and obfuscation was they didn't have enough medical supplies in-country, knew they didn't have the capacity to produce the quantities themselves, and realised they would have trouble sourcing them if other countries (like Australia) realised they would soon need them for themselves. It's one thing if you're a Westerner with not much deep experience in China and the Third World and hear they built a hospital in 10 days and think that means they built an RPH-style facility that quickly; quite another when you do have that experience and realise they built a giant donga with beds in it. So, sure, don't worry it can't spread person-to-person, let's get our parrot at the WHO to say the same thing and are you really going to believe tiny little Taiwan over us? They aren't even in the WHO. Etc etc etc.
He does deserve credit for repatriating some of the millions of masks that the Chinese bought and shipped out of Australia in January and February. Which in itself raises two points:
1. How short sighted are some of our businesses, in that the Chinese suddenly wanted to buy millions of masks for immediate shipment and delivery, and nobody thought to ask (or to care) why;
2. Part of the (but not the only) reason for Chinese deception and obfuscation was they didn't have enough medical supplies in-country, knew they didn't have the capacity to produce the quantities themselves, and realised they would have trouble sourcing them if other countries (like Australia) realised they would soon need them for themselves. It's one thing if you're a Westerner with not much deep experience in China and the Third World and hear they built a hospital in 10 days and think that means they built an RPH-style facility that quickly; quite another when you do have that experience and realise they built a giant donga with beds in it. So, sure, don't worry it can't spread person-to-person, let's get our parrot at the WHO to say the same thing and are you really going to believe tiny little Taiwan over us? They aren't even in the WHO. Etc etc etc.
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May 2nd 2020, 4:16 am
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Re: Coronavirus - how's everyone doing?
Any posts turning this thread political will be moved to this thread. Or you could always make sure, when heading down the politics rabbit hole, you open up the other thread instead of this one. COVID 19 is a politic free zone, it doesn't care who it kills.
Maybe if someone starts a thread, they could put a "No Politics" note in the title or first post if they don't want that in their thread..
May 2nd 2020, 8:10 am
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Re: Coronavirus - how's everyone doing?
I have no problem with this, but there is often blurred lines there. For example, carcajou's last post, great post, excellent topic for discussion, but it will turn political. And not everyone is put off by a political discussion.
Maybe if someone starts a thread, they could put a "No Politics" note in the title or first post if they don't want that in their thread..
Maybe if someone starts a thread, they could put a "No Politics" note in the title or first post if they don't want that in their thread..
It's a bit like being in communist China here sometimes.
May 2nd 2020, 12:43 pm
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Re: Coronavirus - how's everyone doing?
Did I hear on the news the other day that the Australian Prime Minister said they would use peoples private pensions to bailout failing companies? That'll be a "fun" chit-chat with the electorate. 🤔
The Australian Government doesn't have a monopoly on stupidity of course.
The Australian Government doesn't have a monopoly on stupidity of course.
May 2nd 2020, 1:49 pm
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Re: Coronavirus - how's everyone doing?
May 2nd 2020, 3:33 pm
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Did I hear on the news the other day that the Australian Prime Minister said they would use peoples private pensions to bailout failing companies? That'll be a "fun" chit-chat with the electorate. 🤔
The Australian Government doesn't have a monopoly on stupidity of course.
The Australian Government doesn't have a monopoly on stupidity of course.
May 3rd 2020, 3:23 am
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May 3rd 2020, 6:06 am
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Re: Coronavirus - how's everyone doing?
Nonsense, Jacinda Ardern is a virtue-signalling puppet. She's not my cup of tea politically, but she's easy to fault as a leader in times of crisis. Her geographically isolated country required level 2 (maybe 3 initially) restrictions, not level 4. All she's done is crash her nation's economy for a result that is actually worse than ours (level 2). That's not leadership, that's being overcautious and nanny stateish.
I don't think it's anything to do with being over cautious. Over cautious is level 2-3. She and her govt were attention seeking as per usual. They use these events to get themselves noticed globally.
And they still can't get elimination despite saying it is eliminated.
May 3rd 2020, 7:06 am
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I did a quick google search which returned the following article:
"Australia’s Morrison Wants Pensions to Fund Company Bailouts."
Better your money than mine. We've already bailed out one state airline and it was one too many!
"Australia’s Morrison Wants Pensions to Fund Company Bailouts."
Better your money than mine. We've already bailed out one state airline and it was one too many!