Originally Posted by Alfresco

Originally Posted by GarryP

As you may note, the media have begun to recognise that Turnbull is between a rock and a hard place with policy. He HAS to show that he's not such a clutz as Tone, that he can get things done. And he has to get that done soon, in order to get some political capital to make some of the other necessary changes before the election next year. However the far right are going to take great delight in knifing him the moment he tries to make a change. In reality he can't take 30 of them with him even if he were to offer free blow jobs - he'll realise/learn that quick.

Having considered that contradiction, the only solution I can see is a policy that comes out of nowhere, that isn't ideology biased, and that the far right would look like prize twits for opposing. It also probably needs to be economy based (since he basically called hockey and abbott economic idiots).

Only thing that jumps to mind is support for entrepreneurs and startups. Promoting and supporting workers starting their own companies wouldn't have either ideology frothing, and there's much that could and should be done in that area (much of it cheap).

He might have some other ideas in the fire, but I wouldn't at all be surprised to see something like the policies mentioned popping up in short order.

Originally Posted by Swerv-o

Same in the US though - you vote for a President who then gets hamstrung by Congress and Senate so it also doesn't matter...

And well you know that's not how our system works - you vote for your local representative and they in turn get to decide who is the party leader and thus the Prime Minister.

There is no direct vote for PM, though the leader may or may not have some influence on who you decide to vote for. These much repeated assertions that "I voted for Tony Abbott" or "The people decide who is rubbish in our system.

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Originally Posted by Beoz

A lot of influence unfortunately. While polls can largely be ignored (see recent events in the UK) lo and behold, check this one out.

Morgan poll finds even Labor voters prefer Malcolm Turnbull to Bill Shorten

Originally Posted by Swerv-o

Same in the US though - you vote for a President who then gets hamstrung by Congress and Senate so it also doesn't matter...

And well you know that's not how our system works - you vote for your local representative and they in turn get to decide who is the party leader and thus the Prime Minister.

There is no direct vote for PM, though the leader may or may not have some influence on who you decide to vote for. These much repeated assertions that "I voted for Tony Abbott" or "The people decide who is rubbish in our system.


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Originally Posted by Beoz

Under Abbott and Hockey the main thing missing was the messaging.

Originally Posted by Beoz

The first budget, whilst many aspects of it were good, was delivered poorly and along with a declining China, set the tone for confidence in the economy. One would hope that the main gift Turnbull can bring to the economy is good communication and with that confidence and we all know what the knock on effects of confidence is.

Originally Posted by Beoz

With all the fluffy stuff aside Turnball needs to start looking at innovation which I've said many times before. Part of that is start ups but there's a hell of a lot more he can tackle. Some of it isn't instantaneous but he can certainly set the ball in motion. The ability to innovate has always been one of Australia's best assets but under Abbott is was largely ignored and never nurtured. The opportunities are there. I suspect he will seize them.

Originally Posted by Alfresco

Indeed. That's why I voted for the best looking candidate where I was. No point in voting because of politics or policies, as those change like the wind, just like PMs do.

Originally Posted by Swerv-o

It's not really surprising though is it? Shorten is a waste of space. He's virtually been missing for this term. He's had huge opportunities to give Abbott a good kicking, and has failed to take them. Probably the worst opposition leader I've seen. Bill 'The Phantom' Shorten.

Originally Posted by GarryP

We'll see.

The proverb is never interrupt your enemy when they are busy destroying themselves. Abbott was a bully and scrapper. Start actually pointing up how useless he was (which everyone could see anyway) and he'd fight back will the bullsh*t and the three word slogans, and the rest of his party would feel obliged to back him.

We'll see if Shorten ups his game now, or if he waits to see if the far right contingent will again do the job for him by knifing Turnbull. As it stands, there has to be a high likelihood of that.

Originally Posted by Swerv-o

Do you think we will be likely to see proper Ministers for Women, Science and Aboriginal Issues?

Originally Posted by GarryP

That's always the excuse made when the policies suck - it wasn't communicated well. I'll remind you, Turnbull was responsible for the NBN, and he couldn't sell that turkey of a policy - late, more expensive and slower is the result of his 'messaging'.

Originally Posted by GarryP

The economy has been massively mismanaged, that's why it's on the verge of recession. The first budget is generally regarded as the start of the abbott downfall. There is no way that gets better unless the policy changes, and acceptance is made that Hockey screwed it up ('its a budget emergency, lets cut tax', 'the budget emergency has disappeared, because the polls are down'). They need a sane plan, not the Hockey wreaking ball.

It's not possible to rescue the dog's breakfast that the budget currently is. No matter how much of a second hand car salesman you are.

Originally Posted by GarryP

Take the money you were pouring into the black hole of coal and use it for new enterprise. As it stands startups basically have to go to the US or UK for second round funding, and with the capital gains tax rules they are advised to move earlier in anticipation of that reality. Fixing some of that can be done in weeks.

Originally Posted by Swerv-o

It's not really surprising though is it? Shorten is a waste of space. He's virtually been missing for this term. He's had huge opportunities to give Abbott a good kicking, and has failed to take them. Probably the worst opposition leader I've seen. Bill 'The Phantom' Shorten.

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Originally Posted by GarryP

That's not so much low hanging fruit as fruit that's jumped off the tree, in the basket, and has a label on it saying "eat me". If he doesn't do those then he's dead meat before he starts - he's going to have to make much more difficult changes, and before xmas too.

Here's a right wing articles that points up similar to what I've been saying.

https://au.finance.yahoo.com/news/te...222330686.html

some of the ideas for 'winning policies' are v. daft - but they do get the need for very different policies, and quick.

Originally Posted by Beoz

Actually his messaging on that was pretty clear. "We've crunch the numbers and the cost will not see a return on investment". What more do you need?

Originally Posted by Beoz

Rubbish, the economy is on the verge of a recession because China pulled back its spending here. It's as simple as that. And if you compare it to other resource based economies such as Canada and Brazil who have also felt the effects of China, the Australian economy is flying. You only need to look at the job creation numbers and other aspects of the economy, non mining related, to see that. Throwing the blinkers on is no excuse.

Originally Posted by Beoz

Nice article. Did you happen to pick up on this bit? As I have been saying

Some of this failure has been outside the government’s control. Resource prices have fallen and the mining boom is fading in our memory. This has sent our major resources competitors – Brazil and Canada – into recession. Australia, so far, has avoided this fate, thanks to an agile economy and a large depreciation of the Australian dollar.