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Is my daughters after school carer a fool or a pedophile?
#46
Re: Is my daughters after school carer a fool or a pedophile?
Who said he was a child molester? He has not (as far as anyone knows) been convicted of a crime. How sad that people jump to conclusions without knowing all the facts.
Again, who said this person was a paedofile? He has not been tried or convicted of an offence as far as you know.
What exactly do you want the police to do? The child stated in passing that someone at her after school care blew in her mouth. As far as I'm aware that is not a crime under Australian law.
You people seriously need to get a grip here. Nothing has been proven or even investigated yet you have convicted this man of being a sick creep, child molester and paedofile.
Again, who said this person was a paedofile? He has not been tried or convicted of an offence as far as you know.
What exactly do you want the police to do? The child stated in passing that someone at her after school care blew in her mouth. As far as I'm aware that is not a crime under Australian law.
You people seriously need to get a grip here. Nothing has been proven or even investigated yet you have convicted this man of being a sick creep, child molester and paedofile.
#47
Re: Is my daughters after school carer a fool or a pedophile?
Who said he was a child molester? He has not (as far as anyone knows) been convicted of a crime. How sad that people jump to conclusions without knowing all the facts.
Again, who said this person was a paedofile? He has not been tried or convicted of an offence as far as you know.
What exactly do you want the police to do? The child stated in passing that someone at her after school care blew in her mouth. As far as I'm aware that is not a crime under Australian law.
You people seriously need to get a grip here. Nothing has been proven or even investigated yet you have convicted this man of being a sick creep, child molester and paedofile.
Again, who said this person was a paedofile? He has not been tried or convicted of an offence as far as you know.
What exactly do you want the police to do? The child stated in passing that someone at her after school care blew in her mouth. As far as I'm aware that is not a crime under Australian law.
You people seriously need to get a grip here. Nothing has been proven or even investigated yet you have convicted this man of being a sick creep, child molester and paedofile.
Are you seriously saying it is ok for an adult child carer to blow into the mouths of children... even though they are offended by this peculiarly intimate gesture? Nobody here has "convicted" him of anything. You are right though, no one has properly investigated the matter. It seems to have been quietly swept under the mat with a denial by the creepy child carer. I hope the view that he will be managed out of his position is correct. He has no place in child care, paedophile or not. At the very least he makes children and parents uncomfortable with his peculiar behaviour and anyone who defends his right to do that needs to get much more than a grip.
#48
Re: Is my daughters after school carer a fool or a pedophile?
I would not be satisfied with the answers he's received either and would certainly question it further with the centre. However what I would not do is to throw around accusations without them being proven.
#49
Joined: Sep 2005
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Re: Is my daughters after school carer a fool or a pedophile?
I did not say this individual (sick creep) was a child molester. I expressed my view that he was a sick creep for blowing in the mouths of little children who found his behaviour so offensive at least one of them, bless her heart, felt compelled to tell him he was rude. It IS sad that child molesters ARE attracted to educational roles and unfortunately, they get away with it until someone bothers to investigate matters sufficiently to allow their victims to be believed.
Are you seriously saying it is ok for an adult child carer to blow into the mouths of children... even though they are offended by this peculiarly intimate gesture? Nobody here has "convicted" him of anything. You are right though, no one has properly investigated the matter. It seems to have been quietly swept under the mat with a denial by the creepy child carer. I hope the view that he will be managed out of his position is correct. He has no place in child care, paedophile or not. At the very least he makes children and parents uncomfortable with his peculiar behaviour and anyone who defends his right to do that needs to get much more than a grip.
Are you seriously saying it is ok for an adult child carer to blow into the mouths of children... even though they are offended by this peculiarly intimate gesture? Nobody here has "convicted" him of anything. You are right though, no one has properly investigated the matter. It seems to have been quietly swept under the mat with a denial by the creepy child carer. I hope the view that he will be managed out of his position is correct. He has no place in child care, paedophile or not. At the very least he makes children and parents uncomfortable with his peculiar behaviour and anyone who defends his right to do that needs to get much more than a grip.
He needs to be told that is not acceptable in any form and questioned by his superiors as to why he did it.
There just doesnt seem to be any reason for it and if anything, it seems really odd and certainly not normal. It also begs the question how frequently he has done it and if there has been anything else that he has done that may have ever so slightly crossed that very delicate line that with children, once you cross there is no turning back.
#50
Re: Is my daughters after school carer a fool or a pedophile?
I did not say this individual (sick creep) was a child molester. I expressed my view that he was a sick creep for blowing in the mouths of little children who found his behaviour so offensive at least one of them, bless her heart, felt compelled to tell him he was rude. It IS sad that child molesters ARE attracted to educational roles and unfortunately, they get away with it until someone bothers to investigate matters sufficiently to allow their victims to be believed.
Are you seriously saying it is ok for an adult child carer to blow into the mouths of children... even though they are offended by this peculiarly intimate gesture? Nobody here has "convicted" him of anything. You are right though, no one has properly investigated the matter. It seems to have been quietly swept under the mat with a denial by the creepy child carer. I hope the view that he will be managed out of his position is correct. He has no place in child care, paedophile or not. At the very least he makes children and parents uncomfortable with his peculiar behaviour and anyone who defends his right to do that needs to get much more than a grip.
Are you seriously saying it is ok for an adult child carer to blow into the mouths of children... even though they are offended by this peculiarly intimate gesture? Nobody here has "convicted" him of anything. You are right though, no one has properly investigated the matter. It seems to have been quietly swept under the mat with a denial by the creepy child carer. I hope the view that he will be managed out of his position is correct. He has no place in child care, paedophile or not. At the very least he makes children and parents uncomfortable with his peculiar behaviour and anyone who defends his right to do that needs to get much more than a grip.
And just to clarify, you did convict him by calling him a "sick creep" without knowing that he had done anything other than care for the children in his charge.
#51
Re: Is my daughters after school carer a fool or a pedophile?
How do you know he's a sick creep, though? You have not met him, nor do you know the circumstances. And no, I did not say it was alright for carers to blow in the mouths of children; if that in fact actually happened. There is the word of a 6 year old child (and only one child who has actually said that this carer did this) as the only evidence that anything happened.
And just to clarify, you did convict him by calling him a "sick creep" without knowing that he had done anything other than care for the children in his charge.
And just to clarify, you did convict him by calling him a "sick creep" without knowing that he had done anything other than care for the children in his charge.
#52
Re: Is my daughters after school carer a fool or a pedophile?
How do you know he's a sick creep, though? You have not met him, nor do you know the circumstances. And no, I did not say it was alright for carers to blow in the mouths of children; if that in fact actually happened. There is the word of a 6 year old child (and only one child who has actually said that this carer did this) as the only evidence that anything happened.
And just to clarify, you did convict him by calling him a "sick creep" without knowing that he had done anything other than care for the children in his charge.
And just to clarify, you did convict him by calling him a "sick creep" without knowing that he had done anything other than care for the children in his charge.
Last edited by brissybee; Aug 24th 2010 at 4:08 pm.
#53
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Re: Is my daughters after school carer a fool or a pedophile?
Yes, I would also do exactly that. Even with a perfectly plausible explanation it's best to follow your instincts.
#54
Joined: Oct 2007
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Re: Is my daughters after school carer a fool or a pedophile?
There is a third possibility. That they've listened to your concerns, have spoken to the person involved, and have taken the decision to 'manage' him out at some point in the very near future, thereby avoiding any sort of scandal which would adversely affect their business. It wouldn't surprise me if this person just 'doesn't work here anymore' in the next month or so, but in the meantime advice your daughter to be wary.
Let's hope that's the case
#55
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Re: Is my daughters after school carer a fool or a pedophile?
There is a third possibility. That they've listened to your concerns, have spoken to the person involved, and have taken the decision to 'manage' him out at some point in the very near future, thereby avoiding any sort of scandal which would adversely affect their business. It wouldn't surprise me if this person just 'doesn't work here anymore' in the next month or so, but in the meantime advice your daughter to be wary.
Someone higher up needs to be involved and get to the bottom of this. I think the other children in the room need to be spoken to and for that you're probably going to have to involve the police.
#56
Re: Is my daughters after school carer a fool or a pedophile?
I know a few of you were interested in where this was going to go. We have heard back from the company:
It seems following a thorough and discreet investigation the guy denied any wrong-doing (surprise surpise) and that is that. So theres no 'innocent explanation' f the behaviour - simply a flat denial that it, or anything like it, took place at all. We were however, reassured that there would be 'more frequent' site visits from management to monitor the situation. Pffft - like he's gonna do anything suss once management walk through the door?!
So we'll see what happens and if theres any hint of something odd going on again then I guess we'll have to re-assess the situation.
It seems following a thorough and discreet investigation the guy denied any wrong-doing (surprise surpise) and that is that. So theres no 'innocent explanation' f the behaviour - simply a flat denial that it, or anything like it, took place at all. We were however, reassured that there would be 'more frequent' site visits from management to monitor the situation. Pffft - like he's gonna do anything suss once management walk through the door?!
So we'll see what happens and if theres any hint of something odd going on again then I guess we'll have to re-assess the situation.
#58
Joined: Oct 2007
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Re: Is my daughters after school carer a fool or a pedophile?
Yes, that's a horrible worry.
I hear that if a person is an offender, that they only get caught after they've offended several times. All those people on the child sex offender register have offended many many times before they got caught.
#59
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Re: Is my daughters after school carer a fool or a pedophile?
This situation needs to be nipped in the bud straight away. Tell the childcare place that you're not happy with their investigation, you are going to contact their superiors/police/whoever to look into further.
It could all be entirely innocent and let's hope to hell it is.
#60
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Re: Is my daughters after school carer a fool or a pedophile?
But unfortunately if that is the case and he has done something wrong he could go on to another child care institution and try something again.
Someone higher up needs to be involved and get to the bottom of this. I think the other children in the room need to be spoken to and for that you're probably going to have to involve the police.
Someone higher up needs to be involved and get to the bottom of this. I think the other children in the room need to be spoken to and for that you're probably going to have to involve the police.
There's a definite line between an inappropriate act and an illegal act . . . to date this person appears to have been nothing more than the former which at worst means he has really poor judgement. However, people with poor judgement shouldn't be working with children.