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A lot I reckon, if they apply themselves to it and get on with trying to get somewhere. You can go on about the fact that if they go to uni they will be in debt blah blah but a lot of young people in other parts of the world get on with doing the same to make something of their lives. Stop paying attention to the press and the stupid stories they come up with, be realistic.

Whoever gets in govt. will just move the goalposts slightly but nothing will change. We have been spoilt, NHS, education etc etc. So Bay get on with it, stop moaning and blaming blair for wrecking the country. My girlfriend was a newly qualified nurse under the conservatives and the NHS was going to rack and ruin (no doubt like now you may say), however she was on 12 grand a year after scrimping and scraping on a pittance for three years. Within a year of labour being in her salary had risen to a respectable amount and thankfully now she is doing well.

As a man who believes in the 'old' Labour and am warey of Blair, he hasn't done half bad.

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More than I had. Mine were I managed to get an apprenticeship as a plumber at a ship yard that was closed 2 weeks before I was supposed to start. Then stuck in unemployment blackspot factory work, YTS college or somehow convince my parents I had a cunning plan and they'd let me sit around the house all day doing nothing. So I went YTS route and what a waste of 18 months.

Kids today have college and they get paid to do it EMA allowance isn't bad for those with parents who are on lowish income. Modern apprenticeships pay a decent rate and are far far better than the tory YTS. If kids have a any kind of self motivation they can get on, when I was 16 there was bugger all.

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The majority of youngsters leaving school are useless in my opinion. They dont know what they have and most want to sit on their arse in front of a computer getting fat. I am in the building trade and have had a few school leavers work with me over the years. I have had 2 that were keen and wanted to learn. The current lad I have walks around in one gear all day and has his hands in his pockets. He is at college 2 days a week and does not really want to work and is a total waste of time.
He said to me this week he would not be working at next years v festival as it was really hard having to park cars for 12 hour shifts at this years festival - he got £200.00 cash for the weekend and saw the festival ???

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The welfare state was brought in (in the 50's) to make up for gaps in working people and those unable to work.
unfortunately, the labour govt who got it up and running forgot one thing - and that was potential benefactors should be those who pay into it first; The pension system was introduced to ensure those on lower wages had some sort of income when the stopped working (eg in the 50's your life expectancy was something like 67/68...) and was originally designed to be claimed by those who paid into the national insurance system... so those who started their working life in the 50s could claim on retirement, having paid into the system during their working life and allowing a pool of money to be built up to pay for the evolving benefits system. but the labour govt of the time allowed everyone to claim it from the day it was introduced ... so that pool of money was never established and the welfare system has never caught up.

THATS why there isnt any money in the social security bank account.
it was never there in the first place ... as was initially intended.



sue young
part LLB (78% welfare law) :D :D :D

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I agree with the whole you have to put in before you get anything out, but as there's always one there are exceptions to any rule, how could someone who is disabled at birth be able to contribute before they got anything out? or someone who has an accident before they manage to work. Then you have to make special rule for certain groups and other groups can then say they're being discriminated against. Also Aus works this rule with its immigrants but those bold enough to fight it in court can have the ruling over turned, human rights legislation is everywhere and can be used and abused by those who are wise enough

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read the first sentence of my post...for those "unable" to work- the govts plans not mine.
and it was the govt that brought it in ... not me.
just making a point.

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Who is defined as unable to work? Someone who gets signed off as suffering from illness or disability. Is easy to con the system and as I said Australia's stance on immigrants not being able to claim anything for 2 years is based on thin legal ground...

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*cringes in seat* im not arguing with you...!
im just pointing out how the welfare system was established and how it came to be in such financial dire straits.
thats all.
i was responding to a post well before you joined the discussion ....

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I apologise for butting in and having my say, but you could always pm if you don't want alternative thoughts ;)
Oh and you've not had an argument with me :p I'm allowed see things a different way to you, doesn't mean I'm arguing

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What you say is a simular line to which the government of this already overcrowded country use to try to justify the current insane immigration policy...my point and I think most of the decent ,hardworking people of this country would agree, is THE GOVERNMENT SHOULD MAKE THE LAZY INDIVIDUALS INDEGINOUS TO THIS COUNTRY WHO ARE FIT GET OFF THERE AR**S AND GET A JOB OR CUT THERE BENEFITS, SO REDUCING THE NEED TO LET IN ALL THESE PEPOPLE TO DO THE JOBS WE WON'T DO...!

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Is there really any need to shout?

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sorry, thought it was a VERY good point+i'm very passionate re this particular topic...

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Havent really taken much interest in the UK since we left 2 and a bit years ago ,but i must say that this year at least 10 of our xmas cards stated "you got out in time""this country is going down the pan" etc etc, all very much on the same theme.Make of this what you will. :cool:
Donna

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We've got a stream of emails saying much the same thing, and friends asking how they can now get visas !