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DeadVim Mar 18th 2010 3:24 pm

Man missing in surf at lifesaving competition
 
Is it just me or ... http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2...section=justin

DeadVim Mar 18th 2010 3:32 pm

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I mean, if a whole beachful of lifesavers can't find the poor sod then what does that say about the standards eh?

Eh?

jad n rich Mar 18th 2010 3:58 pm

Re: Man missing in surf at lifesaving competition
 
News is now reporting the guy is dead.

Brainless IMO to let the event go on despite the cyclone warnings.

Broad Shoulders Mar 18th 2010 4:01 pm

Re: Man missing in surf at lifesaving competition
 

Originally Posted by jad n rich (Post 8431302)
News is now reporting the guy is dead.

Brainless IMO to let the event go on despite the cyclone warnings.

I wonder if the lifeguards had put out a warning for people to stay out of the water?

jad n rich Mar 18th 2010 4:02 pm

Re: Man missing in surf at lifesaving competition
 

Originally Posted by Broad Shoulders (Post 8431304)
I wonder if the lifeguards had put out a warning for people to stay out of the water?

Bet they had competitors sign a liability waiver:eek:

DeadVim Mar 18th 2010 4:14 pm

Re: Man missing in surf at lifesaving competition
 
Hold on, he's not dead yet ... http://news.ninemsn.com.au/article.aspx?id=1029456

Maybe the comp has a winner?

jad n rich Mar 18th 2010 4:25 pm

Re: Man missing in surf at lifesaving competition
 

Originally Posted by DeadVim (Post 8431321)
Hold on, he's not dead yet ... http://news.ninemsn.com.au/article.aspx?id=1029456

Maybe the comp has a winner?


Just noticed that, news report no longer has him as dead.

You would think they would get the facts right:blink: There was even a piccy of the 'dead' competitior.

DeadVim Mar 18th 2010 4:28 pm

Re: Man missing in surf at lifesaving competition
 

Originally Posted by jad n rich (Post 8431336)
Just noticed that, news report no longer has him as dead.

You would think they would get the facts right:blink: There was even a piccy of the 'dead' competitior.

Hey, that's the price of rolling news ... a few pissed-off relatives is nothing compared to being 'first to air'. Now John with the weather ...

Pollyana Mar 18th 2010 4:55 pm

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Originally Posted by Broad Shoulders (Post 8431304)
I wonder if the lifeguards had put out a warning for people to stay out of the water?

This has been current since yesterday - but doesn't go as far south as the Gold Coast!

SEVERE WEATHER WARNING
for Dangerous Surf For people in the Capricornia, Wide Bay and Burnett and Southeast Coast forecast districts......Dangerous surf with some beach erosion is expected to develop about exposed beaches during the day, particularly about the Sunshine and Fraser coasts, and islands off the Capricornia coast.
The State Emergency Service advises that people in the affected area should:
· if near the coastline, stay well away from the water's edge

DeadVim Mar 18th 2010 5:28 pm

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Originally Posted by Pollyana (Post 8431361)
This has been current since yesterday - but doesn't go as far south as the Gold Coast!

SEVERE WEATHER WARNING
for Dangerous Surf For people in the Capricornia, Wide Bay and Burnett and Southeast Coast forecast districts......Dangerous surf with some beach erosion is expected to develop about exposed beaches during the day, particularly about the Sunshine and Fraser coasts, and islands off the Capricornia coast.
The State Emergency Service advises that people in the affected area should:
· if near the coastline, stay well away from the water's edge

"Was he between the flags?" is the key question ...

DunRoaminTheUK Mar 18th 2010 5:29 pm

Re: Man missing in surf at lifesaving competition
 

Originally Posted by Pollyana (Post 8431361)
This has been current since yesterday - but doesn't go as far south as the Gold Coast!

SEVERE WEATHER WARNING
for Dangerous Surf For people in the Capricornia, Wide Bay and Burnett and Southeast Coast forecast districts......Dangerous surf with some beach erosion is expected to develop about exposed beaches during the day, particularly about the Sunshine and Fraser coasts, and islands off the Capricornia coast.
The State Emergency Service advises that people in the affected area should:
· if near the coastline, stay well away from the water's edge

Deception Bay? I'll be there on Sunday.....It can be a deceiving place....

DeadVim Mar 18th 2010 5:40 pm

Re: Man missing in surf at lifesaving competition
 

Originally Posted by DeadVim (Post 8431321)
Hold on, he's not dead yet ... http://news.ninemsn.com.au/article.aspx?id=1029456

Maybe the comp has a winner?

Nope ... he's dead.

Lesson - Don't go for paddle when there is a cyclone around.

Broad Shoulders Mar 18th 2010 6:23 pm

Re: Man missing in surf at lifesaving competition
 

Originally Posted by DunRoaminTheUK (Post 8431412)
Deception Bay? I'll be there on Sunday.....It can be a deceiving place....

I can only assume you are going there to get someone to do an insurance job on your car. Or maybe you are one of those types of people who actually wants to be sexually assaulted?

It was called Deception Bay because sailors would navigate into the bay thinking that it was a great spot to sail into without realising that it is an incredibly shallow bay.

moneypenny20 Mar 18th 2010 9:17 pm

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Originally Posted by DeadVim (Post 8431426)
Nope ... he's dead.

Lesson - Don't go for paddle when there is a cyclone around.

It's not too rough down here, nothing bad enough to stop the comp in my highly experienced opinion anyway :lol:

steve`o Mar 18th 2010 9:30 pm

Re: Man missing in surf at lifesaving competition
 

Originally Posted by jad n rich (Post 8431336)
Just noticed that, news report no longer has him as dead.

You would think they would get the facts right:blink: There was even a piccy of the 'dead' competitior.

buggerd if i know which one is right now?

http://news.ninemsn.com.au/national/...es-up-on-beach

http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2...section=justin

??

cresta57 Mar 18th 2010 9:35 pm

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Originally Posted by DeadVim (Post 8431426)
Nope ... he's dead.

Lesson - Don't go for paddle when there is a cyclone around.

Are you sure? It's starting to sound like a Monty Python sketch:huh:

moneypenny20 Mar 18th 2010 9:35 pm

Re: Man missing in surf at lifesaving competition
 

Originally Posted by steve`o (Post 8431797)

The ABC one doesn't say what happened after he reached hospital other than he was critical so maybe he died after they posted the report and just not updated? Bloody shame even if he did die doing what he loved, which has to be a good way to go (in the grand scheme of things) :unsure:

Did that sound tactless? You know what I mean though.

Hutch Mar 19th 2010 1:47 am

Re: Man missing in surf at lifesaving competition
 
Well, the competition he was taking part in is the Aussies 2010, which is the national competition of surf life saving and is organised by my employer - Surf Life Saving Australia.

In answer to your comments.
1) Competitions take place away from the red and yellow flagged areas of beaches because swimmers tend to object to surf skis, rescue boards, IRBs and jet skis in their safe patrolled area.
2) The race the lad died in was the second last heat to be held at Kurruwa before they moved everything south to a safer beach - all 8000 competitors were due to up sticks and move that afternoon.
3) There was plenty of water safety in the ocean at the time of the incident, but the guy in question got rolled off his ski in a plunging wave and the general view is that he got hit by the ski when he went 'over the falls', knocking him out. He would then obviously have sunk to the bottom and it's very difficult to locate people when they're on the bottom, particularly in surf that angry. Hundreds of competitors entered the water to look for him and he was eventually pulled from the water nearly a kilometre from where the race took place.
4) He was pulled from the water and received CPR - they got a pulse back, but he died in the ambulance on the way to hospital.

He was an incredibly experienced surf lifesaver who had been in nippers since the age of 8 and who was the victim of a sporting accident. He died in the prime of life at the age of 19 and his parents got to see the whole sorry saga unfold. I'm not entirely sure what's so ****ing hilarious about that, perhaps someone can tell me.

Pollyana Mar 19th 2010 3:35 am

Re: Man missing in surf at lifesaving competition
 

Originally Posted by Hutch (Post 8432285)
Well, the competition he was taking part in is the Aussies 2010, which is the national competition of surf life saving and is organised by my employer - Surf Life Saving Australia.

In answer to your comments.
1) Competitions take place away from the red and yellow flagged areas of beaches because swimmers tend to object to surf skis, rescue boards, IRBs and jet skis in their safe patrolled area.
2) The race the lad died in was the second last heat to be held at Kurruwa before they moved everything south to a safer beach - all 8000 competitors were due to up sticks and move that afternoon.
3) There was plenty of water safety in the ocean at the time of the incident, but the guy in question got rolled off his ski in a plunging wave and the general view is that he got hit by the ski when he went 'over the falls', knocking him out. He would then obviously have sunk to the bottom and it's very difficult to locate people when they're on the bottom, particularly in surf that angry. Hundreds of competitors entered the water to look for him and he was eventually pulled from the water nearly a kilometre from where the race took place.
4) He was pulled from the water and received CPR - they got a pulse back, but he died in the ambulance on the way to hospital.

He was an incredibly experienced surf lifesaver who had been in nippers since the age of 8 and who was the victim of a sporting accident. He died in the prime of life at the age of 19 and his parents got to see the whole sorry saga unfold. I'm not entirely sure what's so ****ing hilarious about that, perhaps someone can tell me.

Very sad outcome.
Appreciate you telling the whole story Hutch, thanks.

Carbery Mar 19th 2010 9:21 am

Re: Man missing in surf at lifesaving competition
 

Originally Posted by Hutch (Post 8432285)
Well, the competition he was taking part in is the Aussies 2010, which is the national competition of surf life saving and is organised by my employer - Surf Life Saving Australia.

In answer to your comments.
1) Competitions take place away from the red and yellow flagged areas of beaches because swimmers tend to object to surf skis, rescue boards, IRBs and jet skis in their safe patrolled area.
2) The race the lad died in was the second last heat to be held at Kurruwa before they moved everything south to a safer beach - all 8000 competitors were due to up sticks and move that afternoon.
3) There was plenty of water safety in the ocean at the time of the incident, but the guy in question got rolled off his ski in a plunging wave and the general view is that he got hit by the ski when he went 'over the falls', knocking him out. He would then obviously have sunk to the bottom and it's very difficult to locate people when they're on the bottom, particularly in surf that angry. Hundreds of competitors entered the water to look for him and he was eventually pulled from the water nearly a kilometre from where the race took place.
4) He was pulled from the water and received CPR - they got a pulse back, but he died in the ambulance on the way to hospital.

He was an incredibly experienced surf lifesaver who had been in nippers since the age of 8 and who was the victim of a sporting accident. He died in the prime of life at the age of 19 and his parents got to see the whole sorry saga unfold. I'm not entirely sure what's so ****ing hilarious about that, perhaps someone can tell me.


Just had one of the organizers in my shop (we are close to Kurrawa) on his way down to the competition which has been cancelled this morning. He told me that everyone is devestated at the loss of a competitor, how hundreds of people were searching an ever increasing area, the deceased's mother becoming more hysterical as the time went on with no sign of her son, and the body being eventually found 1km from the competition site.

Dancing on the grave of a 19 year old who has died in such tragic circumstances is pretty tasteless but unfortunately its par for the course these days on BE whose newer members seem to be religous bigots, self promoters or hypocrites.

RIP.

Mrs Jackaroo Mar 19th 2010 9:45 am

Re: Man missing in surf at lifesaving competition
 

Originally Posted by Hutch (Post 8432285)

He was an incredibly experienced surf lifesaver who had been in nippers since the age of 8 and who was the victim of a sporting accident. He died in the prime of life at the age of 19 and his parents got to see the whole sorry saga unfold. I'm not entirely sure what's so ****ing hilarious about that, perhaps someone can tell me.


Totally agree Hutch... I was just reading this and thinking how bloody sick some people are! They guy was 19 FFS!! Just imagine you being that parent stood on the beach while they searched frantically for your son!

Shame on you guys

jad n rich Mar 19th 2010 10:21 am

Re: Man missing in surf at lifesaving competition
 
Several comments including mine, were relating to the media's disregard of confirming their 'facts' before reporting them. Shocking.

There is another point which hasnt been added, a 15 year old lad was killed at the same spot in the same carnival in the same sort of conditions in 1996. Maybe why so many of the public think it shouldnt have gone ahead.

Devastating for the parents. Especially as the lad is now reported as not having wanted to compete:( Very sad.

DeadVim Mar 19th 2010 10:57 am

Re: Man missing in surf at lifesaving competition
 

Originally Posted by Hutch (Post 8432285)
Well, the competition he was taking part in is the Aussies 2010, which is the national competition of surf life saving and is organised by my employer - Surf Life Saving Australia.

In answer to your comments.
1) Competitions take place away from the red and yellow flagged areas of beaches because swimmers tend to object to surf skis, rescue boards, IRBs and jet skis in their safe patrolled area.
2) The race the lad died in was the second last heat to be held at Kurruwa before they moved everything south to a safer beach - all 8000 competitors were due to up sticks and move that afternoon.
3) There was plenty of water safety in the ocean at the time of the incident, but the guy in question got rolled off his ski in a plunging wave and the general view is that he got hit by the ski when he went 'over the falls', knocking him out. He would then obviously have sunk to the bottom and it's very difficult to locate people when they're on the bottom, particularly in surf that angry. Hundreds of competitors entered the water to look for him and he was eventually pulled from the water nearly a kilometre from where the race took place.
4) He was pulled from the water and received CPR - they got a pulse back, but he died in the ambulance on the way to hospital.

He was an incredibly experienced surf lifesaver who had been in nippers since the age of 8 and who was the victim of a sporting accident. He died in the prime of life at the age of 19 and his parents got to see the whole sorry saga unfold. I'm not entirely sure what's so ****ing hilarious about that, perhaps someone can tell me.

I have a dark sense of humour, what can I say?

Someone drowning at a surf lifesaving competition is inherently amusing to me. Yes, someone died but they did go out there ... I avoided the potential problems by going to work in an office.

Just goes to show how particularly suited human beings are to living on land.

DeadVim Mar 19th 2010 10:58 am

Re: Man missing in surf at lifesaving competition
 

Originally Posted by jad n rich (Post 8433300)
Several comments including mine, were relating to the media's disregard of confirming their 'facts' before reporting them. Shocking.

There is another point which hasnt been added, a 15 year old lad was killed at the same spot in the same carnival in the same sort of conditions in 1996. Maybe why so many of the public think it shouldnt have gone ahead.

Devastating for the parents. Especially as the lad is now reported as not having wanted to compete:( Very sad.

Yup, totally avoidable.

Hutch Mar 19th 2010 12:22 pm

Re: Man missing in surf at lifesaving competition
 

Originally Posted by jad n rich (Post 8433300)
Several comments including mine, were relating to the media's disregard of confirming their 'facts' before reporting them. Shocking.

It was a rolling news story that reflects the 24-7 media coverage we now get. When the first aeroplane hit the trade centre the news outlets were calling it an accident. Stories evolve over time - I was reading those reports as they happened and was getting first hand information myself from colleagues at the event and the reports reflected the information available at that time.


Originally Posted by jad n rich (Post 8433300)
There is another point which hasnt been added, a 15 year old lad was killed at the same spot in the same carnival in the same sort of conditions in 1996. Maybe why so many of the public think it shouldnt have gone ahead.

Kurruwa's a fairly typical sort of Australian beach. Long, open, multiple parallel bars. When the swell gets up it can break on each of those bars making for testing conditions. But someone like Saxon would have been out in those conditions on plenty of other occasions. That accident could have happened on any beach in Australia and in far more benign conditions. Not quite sure what the other lad's death 14 years previous has to do with it, I mean Ayrton Senna died at the San Marino Grand Prix, but the last time I checked the circuit was still in business.


Originally Posted by jad n rich (Post 8433300)
Devastating for the parents. Especially as the lad is now reported as not having wanted to compete:( Very sad.

Can't say I'd particularly want to go out in those conditions either, but he was an adult who made a choice, just like other sports men and women do every day. Don't know what's so different about his death to a racing driver hitting a barrier and dying, a rugby player getting his neck broken or a skier dying in an avalanche.


Originally Posted by DeadVim (Post 8433398)
Someone drowning at a surf lifesaving competition is inherently amusing to me.

It was an Ironman competition. You know - triathlon sort of an event, three disciplines - swimming, ocean ski and run. Would a child dying at a road safety event be as inherently amusing to you too?


Originally Posted by DeadVim (Post 8433398)
Yes, someone died but they did go out there ... I avoided the potential problems by going to work in an office.

Mind you don't get a paper cut.


Originally Posted by DeadVim (Post 8433398)
Just goes to show how particularly suited human beings are to living on land.

Despite all the hilarious cliff deaths and guffaw-inducing fatal falls?

Broad Shoulders Mar 19th 2010 12:29 pm

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Originally Posted by Hutch (Post 8433535)
It was an Ironman competition. You know - triathlon sort of an event, three disciplines - swimming, ocean ski and run.

Interesting that you only just poo pooed the entire notion of sport by saying that it is "pointless" in another thread. Now suddenly it has merit, does it?

Hutch Mar 19th 2010 7:16 pm

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Originally Posted by Broad Shoulders (Post 8433546)
Interesting that you only just poo pooed the entire notion of sport by saying that it is "pointless" in another thread. Now suddenly it has merit, does it?

No - it doesn't have any merit whatsoever, thanks for asking. I just don't think it's funny when someone dies in an accident - but then I'm strange like that. I'll bet if it was someone close to Vim he'd be ****ing pissing himself hysterical for weeks.

DeadVim Mar 19th 2010 7:50 pm

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Originally Posted by Hutch (Post 8433535)
It was an Ironman competition. You know - triathlon sort of an event, three disciplines - swimming, ocean ski and run. Would a child dying at a road safety event be as inherently amusing to you too?

Mind you don't get a paper cut.

Despite all the hilarious cliff deaths and guffaw-inducing fatal falls?

1) Which child? Does Bindi Irwin figure? And, more generally ... yes, actually, it probably would ... hey, no accounting for perverted dark humour eh? It would be offset by the fact that it was a child and was therefore less aware of the dangers than a 'Iron Man'.

2) Thanks, I'll be sure to wear gloves refilling the printer

3) Yes, despite all that hilarity

moneypenny20 Mar 19th 2010 8:43 pm

Re: Man missing in surf at lifesaving competition
 

Originally Posted by Hutch (Post 8433952)
No - it doesn't have any merit whatsoever, thanks for asking. I just don't think it's funny when someone dies in an accident - but then I'm strange like that. I'll bet if it was someone close to Vim he'd be ****ing pissing himself hysterical for weeks.

So you've never made a 'black humour' joke immediately after someone famous died?

Hutch Mar 19th 2010 11:21 pm

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Originally Posted by moneypenny20 (Post 8434060)
So you've never made a 'black humour' joke immediately after someone famous died?

Plenty of times. I'm trying not to be such a **** these days though.

moneypenny20 Mar 19th 2010 11:24 pm

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Originally Posted by Hutch (Post 8434298)
Plenty of times. I'm trying not to be such a **** these days though.

Ahh, a reformed black humour comedian. They are the worse.:lol:

Hutch Mar 19th 2010 11:26 pm

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Originally Posted by moneypenny20 (Post 8434308)
Ahh, a reformed black humour comedian. They are the worse.:lol:

Rrealising you were a **** is worse than actually being one? Ignorance really is bliss ...

moneypenny20 Mar 19th 2010 11:30 pm

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Originally Posted by Hutch (Post 8434310)
Rrealising you were a **** is worse than actually being one? Ignorance really is bliss ...

Blimey, what caused this Epiphany? Does this mean you won't make nasty comments about the in laws any more or does it not extend that far :sneaky:

harrip Mar 20th 2010 7:04 pm

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I think I made an effort at "dark humour" when I was around 14, when I joked that a personality "was on his last legs" when he died shortly after having his legs amputated.

My father commented at the time that it was a good pun but in poor taste. I've not practiced "dark humour" since - it just reminds me of that time I was an immature 14 year old.

Sammy T Mar 20th 2010 7:13 pm

Re: Man missing in surf at lifesaving competition
 

Originally Posted by Hutch (Post 8432285)
Well, the competition he was taking part in is the Aussies 2010, which is the national competition of surf life saving and is organised by my employer - Surf Life Saving Australia.

In answer to your comments.
1) Competitions take place away from the red and yellow flagged areas of beaches because swimmers tend to object to surf skis, rescue boards, IRBs and jet skis in their safe patrolled area.
2) The race the lad died in was the second last heat to be held at Kurruwa before they moved everything south to a safer beach - all 8000 competitors were due to up sticks and move that afternoon.
3) There was plenty of water safety in the ocean at the time of the incident, but the guy in question got rolled off his ski in a plunging wave and the general view is that he got hit by the ski when he went 'over the falls', knocking him out. He would then obviously have sunk to the bottom and it's very difficult to locate people when they're on the bottom, particularly in surf that angry. Hundreds of competitors entered the water to look for him and he was eventually pulled from the water nearly a kilometre from where the race took place.
4) He was pulled from the water and received CPR - they got a pulse back, but he died in the ambulance on the way to hospital.

He was an incredibly experienced surf lifesaver who had been in nippers since the age of 8 and who was the victim of a sporting accident. He died in the prime of life at the age of 19 and his parents got to see the whole sorry saga unfold. I'm not entirely sure what's so ****ing hilarious about that, perhaps someone can tell me.

Well said.

Very sad and especially tragic as many competitors had concerns about safety and had already spoken to the organisers on several occasions regarding this.

Sam

DeadVim Mar 20th 2010 7:15 pm

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Originally Posted by harrip (Post 8435861)
I think I made an effort at "dark humour" when I was around 14, when I joked that a personality "was on his last legs" when he died shortly after having his legs amputated.

My father commented at the time that it was a good pun but in poor taste. I've not practiced "dark humour" since - it just reminds me of that time I was an immature 14 year old.

How old are you now then?

DeadVim Mar 20th 2010 7:16 pm

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Originally Posted by moneypenny20 (Post 8434060)
So you've never made a 'black humour' joke immediately after someone famous died?

Thatcher is still with us ... unbelievable innit?

JackTheLad Mar 20th 2010 7:25 pm

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Originally Posted by Broad Shoulders (Post 8431513)
It was called Deception Bay because sailors would navigate into the bay thinking that it was a great spot to sail into without realising that it is an incredibly shallow bay.

Everything I've read says it was because they were looking for a really good location to form a new settlement, and a passing ship said, yeah that Bay is really good. So they went there and found out it was crap so they called it Deception Bay.

But I've also heard they went to the wrong bay, and really what the passing sailors had meant was Moreton Bay.

Still I love the literal names given to places. Where is 'you lying bastards' river? I bet it is a stream somewhere.:p

JTL

donna Mar 21st 2010 2:13 pm

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why or why do posts on here have to turn to shite,obviously some things are closer to our hearts than others,but where is your compassion guys:confused:

Broad Shoulders Mar 21st 2010 4:45 pm

Re: Man missing in surf at lifesaving competition
 

Originally Posted by donna (Post 8437640)
why or why do posts on here have to turn to shite,obviously some things are closer to our hearts than others,but where is your compassion guys:confused:

I think you would have to argue that a thread had compassionate intentions in the first place for it to "turn to shite". It was written with a black comedic purpose so therefore could never descend to a level that you are stating.


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