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NedKelly Mar 3rd 2012 10:09 pm

Re: Making Bradford British
 

Originally Posted by ozzieeagle (Post 9934730)
Seems to me that Aus has done a slightly better job of getting people to assimilate than the UK.... I reckon it's defintely less PC here in "Wogsville"

I agree. The last time I stayed in Melbourne the company booked me into a hotel in St. Kilda called " The Black Man". It was a great hotel. Could you imagine that being allowed in the UK?

iamthecreaturefromuranus Mar 3rd 2012 10:10 pm

Re: Making Bradford British
 

Originally Posted by ozzieeagle (Post 9934730)
It's definitely got something to do with why I feel settled and happy here in Melbournes Northern Subs which would be one of the most diverse if not the most diverse regions of Australia... bearing in mind that Sydney has more enclaves than Melbourne.. I'm very intrigued by this subject now that Wendy has raised it.

Yet most of these people around here would definitely consider and be proud to call themselves Australian..... They do mention their heritage when prompted though.

Seems to me that Aus has done a slightly better job of getting people to assimilate than the UK.... I reckon it's defintely less PC here in "Wogsville"

Actually that word is a damn good barometer now that I think of it... once they start referring to themselves as Wogs they are definitely more Aus than old heritage.


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Australia is light years ahead of the UK. If anything the UK is going backwards.

paulry Mar 3rd 2012 10:15 pm

Re: Making Bradford British
 

Originally Posted by renth (Post 9934493)
10/24 !! :(

They should have called the show Make Bradford English because "British", even though technically a nationality, is mainly used for black/asian people who don't identify as English, Scottish, Welsh, N. Irish.

That's interesting. I've always thought of myself as British first. But fair comment, I asked my kids and they regard themselves as English first.

chris955 Mar 3rd 2012 10:21 pm

Re: Making Bradford British
 
I wouldn't imagine so but I have no idea whether there are 'Aussie' suicide bombers or not. I would imagine in any country they only make up about .000000000001% of the population.


Originally Posted by iamthecreaturefromuranus (Post 9934770)
Why's that? You think the people who blew themselves up in London felt British?


iamthecreaturefromuranus Mar 3rd 2012 10:25 pm

Re: Making Bradford British
 

Originally Posted by chris955 (Post 9934789)
I wouldn't imagine so but I have no idea whether there are 'Aussie' suicide bombers or not. I would imagine in any country they only make up about .000000000001% of the population.

I think a few naughts need to come off there.

chris955 Mar 3rd 2012 10:32 pm

Re: Making Bradford British
 
It's so weird that our boys who were born here in Brisbane consider themselves to be English, when I mentioned that on another forum I was more or less accused of brainwashing them :lol:


Originally Posted by paulry (Post 9934785)
That's interesting. I've always thought of myself as British first. But fair comment, I asked my kids and they regard themselves as English first.


chris955 Mar 3rd 2012 10:33 pm

Re: Making Bradford British
 
Yeah possibly, it wasn't worked out mathematically, just to demonstrate it is an extremely tiny number.


Originally Posted by iamthecreaturefromuranus (Post 9934795)
I think a few naughts need to come off there.


chris955 Mar 3rd 2012 10:36 pm

Re: Making Bradford British
 
Someone had better tell the owners of the Black Boy Inn :) I assume you are referring to the Blackman, one word, named after Charles Blackman which of course puts a slightly different slant on things ;)


Originally Posted by NedKelly (Post 9934771)
I agree. The last time I stayed in Melbourne the company booked me into a hotel in St. Kilda called " The Black Man". It was a great hotel. Could you imagine that being allowed in the UK?


NedKelly Mar 3rd 2012 10:42 pm

Re: Making Bradford British
 

Originally Posted by chris955 (Post 9934805)
Someone had better tell the owners of the Black Boy Inn :)

If you mean the Black Boy Inn in Reading someone did tell the owners. In fact the council had a real bargee with them and forced them to change the sign from a pygmy to a chimney sweep. Not sure if they had to remove the statue from the bar though.

iamthecreaturefromuranus Mar 3rd 2012 10:44 pm

Re: Making Bradford British
 

Originally Posted by chris955 (Post 9934805)
Someone had better tell the owners of the Black Boy Inn :) I assume you are referring to the Blackman, one word, named after Charles Blackman which of course puts a slightly different slant on things ;)

He has a point. When I lived in Bristol there was more than one attempt to get Whiteladies Rd and Blackboy Hill renamed.

chris955 Mar 3rd 2012 10:53 pm

Re: Making Bradford British
 
No, not that one.


Originally Posted by NedKelly (Post 9934815)
If you mean the Black Boy Inn in Reading someone did tell the owners. In fact the council had a real bargee with them and forced them to change the sign from a pygmy to a chimney sweep. Not sure if they had to remove the statue from the bar though.


chris955 Mar 3rd 2012 10:56 pm

Re: Making Bradford British
 
Well I guess it is 15 all then, both countries seem to be fairly equally PC :lol: Lets face it, in both countries it is again only a tiny minority that get up set by these things.


Originally Posted by iamthecreaturefromuranus (Post 9934817)
He has a point. When I lived in Bristol there was more than one attempt to get Whiteladies Rd and Blackboy Hill renamed.


shackybracky Mar 4th 2012 8:50 am

Re: Making Bradford British
 
I've lived in Bradford all of my life, 32 years so far. I grew up in Clayton Heights but my family is originally from and now live near Idle. Both areas are mostly white. I consider myself fortunate to now live 15 miles from the city centre in Steeton because the city is such a mess. It's a different place to the Bradford I knew growing up. The problems are not solely down to the foreign cultures, the white english locals cause serious problems of there own but I don't hear of it being mentioned half as much as problems caused by foreign cultures. We've even been told by our own councils that we're not allowed to fly the English flag on St. George's day because it might offend foreign cultures. Yet not once have I heard an asian, polish or any other foreigner say they feel offended by an english flag. Our own councils appear to put white english nationals second and that probably fuels the fire against foreigners being allowed into this country.

I know and speak regularly to several asian people and I have no issue with those individuals because they also live by the same values that I do. However, there is a clash of cultures within certain areas and it doesn't appear that anything is done about it. It does feel like a ticking time bomb.

The lack of manners is a huge problem for me personally. I rarely hear an asian person using them and I find it extremely rude. I have been told it's not a part of the asian culture, dunno if that's true or not, but it causes tension.

The lack of spoken english by some asians also causes tension. I have been told that english classes set up for immigrants are full but if the government is going to allow x amount of people into this country who don't speak our language then there should be enough english tuition and in my opinion it should be compulsory as it is in Aus. Not being able to communicate with us causes tension.

When my wife trained as a nurse part of the course was to learn some Urdu so she could communicate with asians who couldn't speak english. I find that disgusting!! That causes tension.

Driving standards of asians don't appear to match the standard that I was taught 15 years ago. Indicators are rarely used, again manners aren't used, simply giving way at roundabouts regularly doesn't happen and it all adds tension.

If an area evolves from a predominantly white area to predominantly asian area, house prices fall and white people who have owned houses in that area for years lose money. More tension.

There's also now areas within Bradford predominantly polish, slovakian, eastern european and to be blunt those areas are dumps! The gardens are full of bed matresses, rubbish, parts of cars, overgown. It's unsightly and it's not how the likes of places like Idle look. These are changes that have happened since foreigners have moved in.

There's a lot of tension about and sooner or later it's got to come to a head. I'll repeat that white people cause big problems too, and there have always been areas such as Buttershaw and Canterbury estate where I wouldn't feel safe walking through even now, but at the moment the mix of cultures is causing problems and I don't know how it's going to get better any time soon.

iamthecreaturefromuranus Mar 4th 2012 8:55 am

Re: Making Bradford British
 

Originally Posted by Seasider (Post 9934618)
Iam, do you mean Bradford Royal Infirmary? I once had the misfortune to be in A&E there very late one Friday night :blink:

Not sure now, it was a long time ago. For some odd reason I seem to remember it being near Leeds Rd.

shackybracky Mar 4th 2012 8:58 am

Re: Making Bradford British
 

Originally Posted by iamthecreaturefromuranus (Post 9935425)
Not sure now, it was a long time ago. For some odd reason I seem to remember it being near Leeds Rd.

Maybe Leeds Road Hospital :lol:


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