Looks like the "superior" UK results based educations system is working wonders.
Sep 1st 2009, 1:14 pm
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Looks like the "superior" UK results based educations system is working wonders.
Overhype or real reason to be concerned. Is Peer group pressure a bigger problem in the UK or not ?
It certainly has the people on my London board jumping up and down.
The only argument against these reports is "people have always said the younger generation are worse".
It was something that was shockingly noticeable on my last trip back to the UK. Maybe I'm wrong you decide.
1 in 3 teenage girls abused by their partners.
http://uk.news.yahoo.com/5/20090901/...e-45dbed5.html
UK Teenage Girls worst drunks in the Western World.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/e...on/8227443.stm
Overhype or are you satisfied with the results based UK education system.... Would you like to see the Social based systems of Scandinavia and Australia given more precedence ?
Be back in the Morning
It certainly has the people on my London board jumping up and down.
The only argument against these reports is "people have always said the younger generation are worse".
It was something that was shockingly noticeable on my last trip back to the UK. Maybe I'm wrong you decide.
1 in 3 teenage girls abused by their partners.
http://uk.news.yahoo.com/5/20090901/...e-45dbed5.html
UK Teenage Girls worst drunks in the Western World.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/e...on/8227443.stm
Overhype or are you satisfied with the results based UK education system.... Would you like to see the Social based systems of Scandinavia and Australia given more precedence ?
Be back in the Morning
Sep 1st 2009, 1:22 pm
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Re: Looks like the "superior" UK results based educations system is working wonders.
Whilst not disagreeing with you on the education side. I do think that the social problems described in those links are the result of far deeper issues than a national curriculum and too many exams.
Sep 1st 2009, 1:39 pm
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Re: Looks like the "superior" UK results based educations system is working wonders.
1 in 3 Australian teenagers have unwanted sex.....
http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2...04/2645328.htm
The latest snapshot of teenage sexual behaviour has revealed that more than a third of high school students have experienced unwanted sex, particularly women.
Sep 1st 2009, 1:55 pm
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An interesting reply following the Independent's version of the story linked to in the OP....
Please, whoever writes the headlines for Independent articles, Mr or Ms Subeditor, could you be a bit more careful in your choice of words? On the Bristol University press release, the term used is not "abuse", but "unwanted sexual acts". Assuming that Independent journalists are erudite people, you must be aware that the two terms are not equivalent and you have clearly chosen a more emotionally loaded term to give the header more impact.
This is highly reprehensible journalism more suited to a tabloid than a quality paper. Why? Because you are implicitly associating a third of teenage boys with adult sex offenders. And it is simply not accurate. The Bristol Uni press release states:
"one in six [girls] said they had been pressured into sexual intercourse and one in 16 said they had been raped. Others had been pressured or forced to kiss or sexually touch."
So, we have a range of acts varying widely in degrees of intimacy and coercion. Note that it says "pressured or forced", so just the attempt to persuade is considered an "unwanted sexual act". Does it make sense to bracket a young boy trying to persuade his girlfriend to kiss him with a boy beating and raping his girlfriend? Does it clarify the situation to link them all with adult sex offenders? Of course not.
The press release also states: "almost one in five [boys] suffered physical violence in a relationship". So, using the Independent subeditor's terms, the percentage of boys "abused" by girls was actually very close to that of girls "abused" by boys.
This is highly reprehensible journalism more suited to a tabloid than a quality paper. Why? Because you are implicitly associating a third of teenage boys with adult sex offenders. And it is simply not accurate. The Bristol Uni press release states:
"one in six [girls] said they had been pressured into sexual intercourse and one in 16 said they had been raped. Others had been pressured or forced to kiss or sexually touch."
So, we have a range of acts varying widely in degrees of intimacy and coercion. Note that it says "pressured or forced", so just the attempt to persuade is considered an "unwanted sexual act". Does it make sense to bracket a young boy trying to persuade his girlfriend to kiss him with a boy beating and raping his girlfriend? Does it clarify the situation to link them all with adult sex offenders? Of course not.
The press release also states: "almost one in five [boys] suffered physical violence in a relationship". So, using the Independent subeditor's terms, the percentage of boys "abused" by girls was actually very close to that of girls "abused" by boys.
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Sep 1st 2009, 2:02 pm
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Similar stats in Aus too for boys & girls engaging in unwanted sex!
It is very sad wherever in the world we are, because we, the parents, have a responsibility for ensuring that our children have the confidence to say no & not to pressure their partners in this way either!
It is very sad wherever in the world we are, because we, the parents, have a responsibility for ensuring that our children have the confidence to say no & not to pressure their partners in this way either!
Sep 1st 2009, 2:26 pm
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Re: Looks like the "superior" UK results based educations system is working wonders.
while highlighting the stuff about teenage drunks in the UK, the report linked to in the BBC article also says:
In other areas, the UK performs well. Children in the United Kingdom are materially fairly well-off. Average family income is higher and child poverty is lower than OECD averages. Children in the United Kingdom also enjoy a high quality of school life. The United Kingdom ranks 4th out of 25 countries for children’s school satisfaction. Rates of bullying are also relatively low.
In other areas, the UK performs well. Children in the United Kingdom are materially fairly well-off. Average family income is higher and child poverty is lower than OECD averages. Children in the United Kingdom also enjoy a high quality of school life. The United Kingdom ranks 4th out of 25 countries for children’s school satisfaction. Rates of bullying are also relatively low.
Sep 1st 2009, 2:30 pm
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while highlighting the stuff about teenage drunks in the UK, the report linked to in the BBC article also says:
In other areas, the UK performs well. Children in the United Kingdom are materially fairly well-off. Average family income is higher and child poverty is lower than OECD averages. Children in the United Kingdom also enjoy a high quality of school life. The United Kingdom ranks 4th out of 25 countries for children’s school satisfaction. Rates of bullying are also relatively low.
In other areas, the UK performs well. Children in the United Kingdom are materially fairly well-off. Average family income is higher and child poverty is lower than OECD averages. Children in the United Kingdom also enjoy a high quality of school life. The United Kingdom ranks 4th out of 25 countries for children’s school satisfaction. Rates of bullying are also relatively low.
Sep 1st 2009, 3:08 pm
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Sep 1st 2009, 8:36 pm
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1 in 3 Australian teenagers have unwanted sex.....
http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2...04/2645328.htm
http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2...04/2645328.htm
Sep 1st 2009, 9:13 pm
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Sep 1st 2009, 10:16 pm
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In my broad experience
3 of the blighters, teens are teens anywhere, same hormones, same habits, same new temptations to try/avoid as the personality dictates.
Its all going on here too, you just have to make the home life strong enough they dont get too tempted to get into it, and even then some will.
We had a 12 year old turn up at our 40 hour famine sleepover with a bag of hooch, mother lives on a commune and he thought nothing of it. At the school camp one kid took a bottle of Vodka, that was week 3 of grade 8. But it doesnt mean your kids have to do it.
Biggest issue we have here speaking to parents of the boys mates, is bullying in the school. From the kids the biggest issue is peer pressure, it is so important how you wear the hair
, who you hang out with, which group you are allowed to get into at lunchtime. They have names for all the levels
Myself I find it funny that so many parents of younger kids here seem to think there are no drugs booze sex going on (too good an area
type thinking - bizzare) a few weeks in high should dispel that myth.
3 of the blighters, teens are teens anywhere, same hormones, same habits, same new temptations to try/avoid as the personality dictates. Its all going on here too, you just have to make the home life strong enough they dont get too tempted to get into it, and even then some will.
We had a 12 year old turn up at our 40 hour famine sleepover with a bag of hooch, mother lives on a commune and he thought nothing of it. At the school camp one kid took a bottle of Vodka, that was week 3 of grade 8. But it doesnt mean your kids have to do it.
Biggest issue we have here speaking to parents of the boys mates, is bullying in the school. From the kids the biggest issue is peer pressure, it is so important how you wear the hair
, who you hang out with, which group you are allowed to get into at lunchtime. They have names for all the levels Myself I find it funny that so many parents of younger kids here seem to think there are no drugs booze sex going on (too good an area type thinking - bizzare) a few weeks in high should dispel that myth.
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Sep 1st 2009, 11:12 pm
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Re: Looks like the "superior" UK results based educations system is working wonders.
All sounds a bit Daily Mail to me.
Overhype or real reason to be concerned. Is Peer group pressure a bigger problem in the UK or not ?
It certainly has the people on my London board jumping up and down.
The only argument against these reports is "people have always said the younger generation are worse".
It was something that was shockingly noticeable on my last trip back to the UK. Maybe I'm wrong you decide.
1 in 3 teenage girls abused by their partners.
http://uk.news.yahoo.com/5/20090901/...e-45dbed5.html
UK Teenage Girls worst drunks in the Western World.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/e...on/8227443.stm
Overhype or are you satisfied with the results based UK education system.... Would you like to see the Social based systems of Scandinavia and Australia given more precedence ?
Be back in the Morning
It certainly has the people on my London board jumping up and down.
The only argument against these reports is "people have always said the younger generation are worse".
It was something that was shockingly noticeable on my last trip back to the UK. Maybe I'm wrong you decide.
1 in 3 teenage girls abused by their partners.
http://uk.news.yahoo.com/5/20090901/...e-45dbed5.html
UK Teenage Girls worst drunks in the Western World.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/e...on/8227443.stm
Overhype or are you satisfied with the results based UK education system.... Would you like to see the Social based systems of Scandinavia and Australia given more precedence ?
Be back in the Morning
Sep 1st 2009, 11:18 pm
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Re: Looks like the "superior" UK results based educations system is working wonders.
There isn't a UK education system, there are at least three separate ones...