chris955

Yes you no doubt could and would argue that but at no time did I say it was the worlds biggest trouble spot or that it was worse than London or indeed anywhere else in the world. I guess from now on nobody bother posting for instance that they have a problem with their car unless they know for a fact that noone else in the world has had a bigger problem with their car and whatever you do dont post how much you paid for a meal unless it is definitely THE most expensive meal in the entire world
Im assuming it goes without saying that anyone happily living in Australia should never post anything about the UK? Yeah thats going to happen

chris955

Luckily it isnt a competition though

slapphead_otool

That was my point. I almost quoted Glasgow, but I believe its cleaned up a lot in the last 30 years.

Logan is a minor street dispute. 20-30 people. Last week in the UK 1000 people threw petrol bombs at the police, she were behind riot shields and in armoured vehicles.

Perspective gentlemen, perspective.....

chris955

Ah yes Northern Ireland is strictly speaking part of the UK. Of course that has been going on there for decades, they are their own worst enemies. Again though no comparisons were being made but it didnt take long

Grayling

It is not a minor dispute....it is lots of disputes which have been going on for a long time and are indicative of deep seated problems In the community which Flare up regularly.

The press have picked on this current dispute but this is a regular occurrence and will happen again

chris955

Exactly right, anyone who lived in the region would know only too well how this has been simmering for years. It has nothing to do with London or Belfast or anywhere else and I fail to see the link or significance.

slapphead_otool

And they occur in many many towns across Australia.

The big difference here is that its Aboriginal v Tongans. (My money is on the Tongans). Usually is Aboriginal tribe v tribe, or against anyone who is around when they have downed the centreline payments in XXXX or wine casks.

But are they (the Logan ones) major disputes?

Just because something happens a lot does not turn it from a minor event to a major one. Four cars at a traffic light is not a major traffic jam, and never will be no matter how often it happens.

slapphead_otool

Belfast is a MAJOR disturbance. I used it to demonstrate scales of importance.

If it were a gang dispute in London it would have involved guns by now.


Thats why I quoted London and Belfast.

Grayling

Several people have died over the past few years because of this 'dispute'...there will be more.

The area has deep seated problems and they need addressing....not sweeping under the carpet.

18 months ago 11 people died in a house fire....there were three families sharing a house and this is not uncommon....the area is used to rehouse African asylum seekers on top of an already muti ethnic community. Ignoring the problem and dismissing it as minor is simply delaying things until the shit really hits the fan

slapphead_otool

Non of this makes in anything other than minor. I agree something needs doing.

But you still cannot label it as a major dispute. Its a couple of families throwing sticks at each other.

Rwanda in 94 was a major dispute. 500,000 people killed in 100 days. Are you comparing what happened in Logan to Rwanda?

Grayling

And that is not comparable to London either....which is what you were comparing the Logan problems to earlier.

So trouble in the UK is just a minor matter as well is it?

You can't have it both ways

slapphead_otool

In my mind what happened in Belfast wass a minor disturbance.

Im pretty sure that people who saw the troubles in the early 70s would agree. No sniper fire. No barricades, no burring busses, no kneecappings and guys dragged out and shot at 4am.

But compared to Logan it was quite serious. Let me put it this way. The NIPS would laugh at having to deal with the Logan argument.


Remember it was Chris who started this thread with his post: "Apparently there has been 4 days of violence in Woodridge, Logan nr Brisbane. While we did live in Logan district it was a world away from Woodrige and the surrounding areas. There has been running battles between Aboriginals, Pacific Islanders and the Police. Racial tension has always been very high in the area so I suppose it was almost inevitable."

Did anyone in Australia start a thread about the 1000 protesters thawing petrol bombs at the police in Belfast - which is a shitload closer to Chris than Logan is to many people here on BE!

Chris was taking an opportunity to try to make Australia look bad. He highlighted a minot family dispute to make it should like WW3 had started in QLD. It is not.

Grayling

But this is a civil disturbance....you can not compare that to NI.,Which I know a fair bit about, it is not a war either..but to dismiss it as minor shows a major level of complacency which will lead to far greater problems in the long run

slapphead_otool

OK guys, I give up. Australia is doomed, we are all going to die in WW3 which is happening in Logan right now.

Im too busy to keep posting, I am building a sandbag enclosure on my balcony and oiling up the MAG58.

Grayling

That is what I mean by complacency.